August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[CallawayGolf]

Exactly what Silver said, and nether of you 100lb brains knows how that premise torpedoes Article III jurisdiction... But that obviously won't matter until the 9th has to clean up loose cannons on deck again.

My guess is that either way DFR-II will not make it to the Ninth after Silver rules. If she rules against USAPA then one of two events will likely take the steam out of any appeal. The first is that the Company's DJ appeal will be ruled on prior to any new appeal that results from this DFR round of lawsuits. Secondly, if the AMR merger continues then the APA will inherit everything from USAPA upon single carrier status which would likely be before any such appeal could be heard. If USAPA "wins" with this go around, then I suspect it will be because Silver realized that without the merger the MOU has no legal merit and thus all the parties are back to waiting for a ratified contract or for Tashima, Graber, and Bybee to sort out the DJ. Who knows what AOL would do, but if Silver ultimately rejects AOL's claims on ripeness being achieved by the MOU, then the chances that Tashima, Graber, and Bybee would even accept the appeal seem quite low to me.

The two big events that would serve as a catalyst to a final and complete resolution - meaning a fully integrated pilot group - would be the consummation of the merger with AMR or the a ruling one way or the other on the Company's need to have the DFR/no DFR settled when it comes to negotiating a LCC stand-alone JCBA.

 

[luvthe9]

My guess is that either way DFR-II will not make it to the Ninth after Silver rules.

Of course it's going to the 9th again, and another couple of years in court, save your money.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Of course it's going to the 9th again, and another couple of years in court, save your money.

Countdown to the DJ appeal and DOJ! The silver lining in this PHIX will never get minted, something in the 9ths majority opinion about a "FINAL PRODUCT" comes to mind!

 

[Phoenix]

My guess is that either way DFR-II will not make it to the Ninth after Silver rules. If she rules against USAPA then one of two events will likely take the steam out of any appeal. The first is that the Company's DJ appeal will be ruled on prior to any new appeal that results from this DFR round of lawsuits. Secondly, if the AMR merger continues then the APA will inherit everything from USAPA upon single carrier status which would likely be before any such appeal could be heard. If USAPA "wins" with this go around, then I suspect it will be because Silver realized that without the merger the MOU has no legal merit and thus all the parties are back to waiting for a ratified contract or for Tashima, Graber, and Bybee to sort out the DJ. Who knows what AOL would do, but if Silver ultimately rejects AOL's claims on ripeness being achieved by the MOU, then the chances that Tashima, Graber, and Bybee would even accept the appeal seem quite low to me.

The two big events that would serve as a catalyst to a final and complete resolution - meaning a fully integrated pilot group - would be the consummation of the merger with AMR or the a ruling one way or the other on the Company's need to have the DFR/no DFR settled when it comes to negotiating a LCC stand-alone JCBA.

Of course you completely left out a prediction of what would happen to a 9th appeal if there is no merger. Ya see, contingencies are a tricky thing. Not only is it impossible to predict what will happen in light of contingencies, it is not even possible to list out all the contingencies that may occur before a final product is reached. Silver is the epitome of "on dangerous ground." ...

Sorta like operating the de-ice truck on a frozen lake.

 

[Metroyet]

Of course you completely left out a prediction of what would happen to a 9th appeal if there is no merger. Ya see, contingencies are a tricky thing. Not only is it impossible to predict what will happen in light of contingencies, it is not even possible to list out all the contingencies that may occur before a final product is reached. Silver is the epitome of "on dangerous ground." ...

Sorta like operating the de-ice truck on a frozen lake.

You ratified the final product. USAPA is screwed.

 

[luvthe9]

RECALL...... Hummel, Bradford, Streble and Ray

 

[A320 Driver]

RECALL...... Hummel, Bradford, Streble and Ray

For what??

 

[Phoenix]

You ratified the final product. USAPA is screwed.

Articulate the injury in-fact... ... ... ... ...

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Even the crickets are waiting for you to articulate...

 

[Metroyet]

RECALL...... Hummel, Bradford, Streble and Ray

Wow. Shocker.

 

[Metroyet]

Articulate the injury in-fact... ... ... ... ...

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Even the crickets are waiting for you to articulate...

Bad faith representation. Injury, in and of itself.

 

[luvthe9]

For what??

Hummel.. not eligible and a dishonest liar, Bradford just plain stupid, Streble a nut case and Ray, paying him over 200,000 a year to lie for Hummel.

 

[Metroyet]

Hummel.. not eligible and a dishonest liar, Bradford just plain stupid, Streble a nut case and Ray, paying him over 200,000 a year to lie for Hummel.

Bring back Cleary!!!!

 

[traderjake]

Hummel.. not eligible and a dishonest liar

You're right, we need an honest liar running USAPA.

 

[mrbreeze]

Of course you completely left out a prediction of what would happen to a 9th appeal if there is no merger. Ya see, contingencies are a tricky thing. Not only is it impossible to predict what will happen in light of contingencies, it is not even possible to list out all the contingencies that may occur before a final product is reached. Silver is the epitome of "on dangerous ground." ...

Sorta like operating the de-ice truck on a frozen lake.

My guess is that since the most of the West boys only fly over dry land, they are not versed or trained in the area of contingencies....a normal part of planning for crossing the North Atlantic. They just don't give it any thought. breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Also what is it with not being able to put paragraph breaks in my post? I see other people not having the trouble. Guess something on my browser is jacked up. Sorry for the run on paragraph above.

I have the same problem.....don't know what changed in the last month or two. breeze