August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Reed Richards]

There aren’t a lot of things in this mess I can guarantee 100%, that is except for one thing. Barring a merger or court intervention, if you keep pursuing DOH you’ll never see a new contract*.

Anyone that thought there was any chance of DOH in our arbitration is probably on the short list for the Darwin award. Nicolau or not, no arbitrator would have ever decided DOH. Only a biased east pilot could come up with that as an end result. You really think you can have the majority (east pilots) act as an arbitrator and decide what the seniority list should look like? Even you average five year can grasp how wrong that is. Keep the two groups separate as long as you can to get an artificial DOH list, but don’t ever expect a new contract. This is by no means meant as a threat, it’s just the way it is. I don’t want you guys to be the lowest paid in the industry any more than I want myself to be the second lowest paid in the industry...... well, maybe a little more

Bean

P.S. Don’t worry, I’m not back again for good, just stopped by to say, “Hi.”

*Unsatisfaction guaranteed or your money back. Oh wait, you can’t get the $900 million back in lost wages, never mind.

It is refreshing that even one of the "good guys" chose to briefly end his sabbatical to support the “RR Theorem.”

 

[nevergiveup]

No it's not, ask the Empire and Shuttle pilots.

I'm sorry, I thought AWA did their bidding according to seniority based of DOH. So could someone hired there in 1989 be senior to someone hired in 1987?

 

[Reed Richards]

When referencing the companies court filings there sure as hell is a company.

I guess the pizza place across from ops in CLT could sue USAPA also, and even weigh in our representational status. So what. RR

 

[Reed Richards]

No it's not, ask the Empire and Shuttle pilots.

[font="Arial""]Two groups that were also screwed by the ever changing ALPA merger policy. They all should have gotten their DOH with fences and restrictions. Even the EAL guys. RR[/font]

 

[traderjake]

Two groups that were also screwed by the ever changing ALPA merger policy. They all should have gotten their DOH with fences and restrictions. Even the EAL guys.

I'm gonna give you a little advice, if we merge with American don't insist on DOH/LOS, in negotiations or arbitration.

 

[traderjake]

I'm sorry, I thought AWA did their bidding according to seniority based of DOH.

I'm sorry you missed the last 5 pilot seniority integrations, none of which were based on DOH.

Let me help you out here, there's a difference between getting hired at an airline and airlines merging.

When you get hired at an airline you go to the bottom of the seniority list, see how that works?

Now back to your mindless babble.

 

[Reed Richards]

I'm gonna give you a little advice, if we merge with American don't insist on DOH, in negotiations or arbitration.

Won't be my call, it will be decided by our elected reps. I am flattered you think I have that much pull. I am going to give you some advice also. When you pull gear for some of our guys that were furloughed, don't let them know what you post here. You should be ashamed. RR

 

[CallawayGolf]

I'm sorry, I thought AWA did their bidding according to seniority based of DOH. So could someone hired there in 1989 be senior to someone hired in 1987?

Sure if they were originally hired at different companies which then merged and those pilots were integrated by their seniority numbers.

 

[traderjake]

Won't be my call, it will be decided by our elected reps. I am flattered you think I have that much pull. I am going to give you some advice also. When you pull gear for some of our guys that were furloughed, don't let them know what you post here. You should be ashamed. RR

I am ashamed of what you and USAPA have done.

I won't be taking any advice from you.

 

[luvthe9]

I am ashamed of what you and USAPA have done.

I won't be taking any advice from you.

You can always quit if your that ashamed and give your number to a westie, go on now, take Chippy with you neither one of you will be missed around here.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I am ashamed of what you and USAPA have done.

I won't be taking any advice from you.

Good. Don't let the doorknob hit you in the a$$ when you leave.

I'm now feeling particularly good, tonite!

 

[end_of_alpa]

You can always quit if your that ashamed and give your number to a westie, go on now, take Chippy with you neither one of you will be missed around here.

BOOM!

 

[Claxon]

Which separate groups of pilots were merged to become AWA prior to 9/27/2005 and when did they select DOH/LOS as the Seniority List INTEGRATION methodology?

How did it works at AAA prior to NIC? Were there any east pilots on furlough who were senior to active mainline pilots? Were they furloughed based on their date of hire or based on their seniority (or juniority if you prefer) status? Any possibility of an active pilot with a very similar or identical DOH as someone who was furloughed and thus junior?

Please refer to ual cal seniority arbitration results.

 

[Claxon]

No it's not, ask the Empire and Shuttle pilots.

Ask your dad about the Empire list. Your pappy stapled them on the bottom.

https://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=36557

 

[Claxon]

I'm gonna give you a little advice, if we merge with American don't insist on DOH/LOS, in negotiations or arbitration.

There you go again. Advice from a pilot who had his daddy pay for his college, flying ratings and got him an airline job. Love hearing advice from the self made man.