Arbitration

[conehead777]

Who’s this conehead guy running around giving red marks?

Because I disagree with you n700

 

[conehead777]

you have to think 2-3 steps ahead. i already brought this up with the arbitrator.

if the assoc. gets the feeling that the mediator can't/won't sway the company towards reasonable scope/wages & benefits the assoc. desires, then we'll have no other choice.

to me, the company does not want this to go to arbitration, because they fear getting opened with a can opener in regards to profit sharing...the chance of the company losing hundreds of millions to it's 'team' members.

if we lose some scope in mediation, we won't gain profit sharing. we may lose more scope with an arbitrator (ua does it's RJs in hubs, so AMT will take a bigger hit than fleet and fleet may pick up shifts in hubs)...but $8k-$10k-$12k profit sharing checks may be enough not to care about that new hire who will never get hired.

dl does this: 10% of pre-tax up to $2.5 billion in profits, 20% above that go into the profit sharing kitty.

parker says; "even in a bad year, we'll earn $3 billion". ok, $3 billion. $250 million + $100 million = $350 million.

$350 million divided by 30,000 assoc members (no one will lose their job) is...?

aa didn't even have $300 million socked away in profit sharing for it's 120,000 employees. aa is potentially cutting off it's nose to spite it's face....adding $24 million for all to go on iam/lus is unacceptable, but a 3rd party arbitrator could force them to give us hundreds of millions in profit sharing.

Parker also said dL Ua plus 7 then plus 3 so I take his word with a grain of salt.

 

[Kev3188]

We can potentially get a lot more from an arbitrator - including RJ work in hubs.

Your NC can also make the case that other carriers already have their own employees performing this work. This isn’t something that would put AA at a competitive disadvantage.

 

[B737 driver]

“HE” was sent here? Who sent YOU?

Southwest Airlines Troll.

Swarat is the AMFA troll.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Parker also said dL Ua plus 7 then plus 3 so I take his word with a grain of salt.

yes...but remember, more synergies will be realized and credit card money will be rolling in...along with the company cutting back on cap ex. $3 billion in a bad year may be a stretch, but it's his name and reputation behind that quote.

Your NC can also make the case that other carriers already have their own employees performing this work. This isn’t something that would put AA at a competitive disadvantage.

yes...but this is an impossibility in mediation. only if it gets to an arbitrator and i don't believe it will.

 

[swamt]

Post it then.

I will not. If you have been paying attention, or at least here from the beginning, then you would know I no longer do the leg work for you or anyone else. 1AA already directed you where it is posted and it is still there to this day. #5 on the Q&A prior to the asso being certified, and I do also believe from the IAM, maybe it was from both TWU/IAM.
Everyone here, including the weezal, already knows about it and knows they did in fact say it (in writing) as well as posted in these forums verbally that there would be a vote.
Bottom line is, the membership was promised a vote on this asso fiasco, then was bamboozled by the same asso as it was certified by NMB with no say so from the membership whatsoever. You really do need to get a clue before spouting off, at least retain all the facts before posting false information, this asso and their puppets do enough misleading and confusion for the membership as it stands...

 

[swamt]

yup, i agree.

your arguments against...we're not getting dl or ua +7% anyways on DOS and ua will see to it that we'll still be $34.50-$35ish/hr TOS.

we will have to keep more scope, otherwise, mediation will be a comprehensive victory for the company. this is why i said i'm not afraid of arbitration and it's potential of getting us more than mediation.

ua's profit sharing parameters aren't too far behind dl's...their problem was generating profits in the area of a dl or even aa to give back to it's employees.

Quick question for ya. Why should the membership not expect the NC to hold the company to their original promises of DL or UAL +7%? The asso was holding them to it (GP at least was) and now it seems they are doing what they always seem to end up doing and just caving in and agreeing with the company to the +3% instead.

 

[John Gotti]

It will never go to arbitration.

Arbitration is not a good thing for a CBA.

Ask the APA and APFA how they faired in their limited arbitration.

Since 1949 at LUS the IAM has never accepted the proffer and never accepted it at any airline during Section 6.

You never let someone with no vested interest deciding your contract. You don’t get to vote on it and will be stuck with it.

 

[John Gotti]

I will not. If you have been paying attention, or at least here from the beginning, then you would know I no longer do the leg work for you or anyone else. 1AA already directed you where it is posted and it is still there to this day. #5 on the Q&A prior to the asso being certified, and I do also believe from the IAM, maybe it was from both TWU/IAM.
Everyone here, including the weezal, already knows about it and knows they did in fact say it (in writing) as well as posted in these forums verbally that there would be a vote.
Bottom line is, the membership was promised a vote on this asso fiasco, then was bamboozled by the same asso as it was certified by NMB with no say so from the membership whatsoever. You really do need to get a clue before spouting off, at least retain all the facts before posting false information, this asso and their puppets do enough misleading and confusion for the membership as it stands...

Post it. If you don’t no one believes you.

 

[swamt]

JG was sent here? By whom and for what?

The asso. To cause confusion and misinformation. His identity will be revealed soon.

 

[conehead777]

I will not. If you have been paying attention, or at least here from the beginning, then you would know I no longer do the leg work for you or anyone else. 1AA already directed you where it is posted and it is still there to this day. #5 on the Q&A prior to the asso being certified, and I do also believe from the IAM, maybe it was from both TWU/IAM.
Everyone here, including the weezal, already knows about it and knows they did in fact say it (in writing) as well as posted in these forums verbally that there would be a vote.
Bottom line is, the membership was promised a vote on this asso fiasco, then was bamboozled by the same asso as it was certified by NMB with no say so from the membership whatsoever. You really do need to get a clue before spouting off, at least retain all the facts before posting false information, this asso and their puppets do enough misleading and confusion for the membership as it stands...

http://www.local591.com/docs/The TWU_IAM Association Q&A.pdf

 

[swamt]

Post it. If you don’t no one believes you.

Again. I will not. Everyone here already knows they said it. There is nothing for them not to believe. YOU are the one that claims they "never" said it. Prove your statements, otherwise no one will believe YOU. Nice try, won't work with me rookie...

 

[swamt]

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http://www.local591.com/docs/The TWU_IAM Association Q&A.pdf

See there JG. I told you so.
CH knew I wouldn't, as he knows my past with 700, the weez and others out here that have been proven wrong so many times.
My credibility has remained intact since I have been here. I don't need to prove anything.

 

[John Gotti]

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http://www.local591.com/docs/The TWU_IAM Association Q&A.pdf

That’s from the TWU, not the IAM.

Please post an official IAM correspondence that states the members will vote on the Association.

 

[swamt]

Consider yourself spoonfed.