April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[dca319]

LOL!!!

Even my limited mind can see through your stupid BS! Your charade is so weak....you make a fool of yourself with each post! (talk about limited minds)
breeze

Ok breeze. Whatever you say.

 

[snapthis]

I'd prefer to watch. With the way everything else has been screwed up, I'd rather watch the accident happen as it occurs than pick through the remnants to sort out the blame. And considering it was USAPA that put the stipulation in to require the filing be sealed before they'd even come to the table, it doesn't give me high hopes.

There is plenty of public info. Go to page 6 to compare expenses between the APA and USAPA.

See if we come to the same conclusions.

http://kcerds.dol-es...ptForm=LM10Form

 

[mrbreeze]

And why, in that limited mind of yours,would you come to the conclusion I'm west?

OK, in all fairness, here's your chance 319.....make or break yourself with this......give me the first name of FA Lombardo on my trip today. Flight 751 from BRU on 5/22. If you are East, it's an easy answer for you to come up with. If you dodge the question, ONCE AGAIN, you're a lying POS!
breeze

 

[FL430]

C'mon, FL430......he is getting frustrated with his IQ. Ask him one that he can answer.....like how to spell his name
breeze

I doubt he can even spell his name.

 

[luvthe9]

You westies should think about suing Marty and his firm, for that matter AOL also for they have really held you kids back. Going to be a hot summer in PHX.

 

[Pi brat]

There are no more votes.

I would love to keep what I brought. 144 airplanes, 7 years upgrades and 1900 pilots. Not strapped with dishonest east pilots.

You keep what you had. A dead airline, 1700 furloughs and loa 93.

And over 270 aircraft, trans-Atlantic widebody flying, and massive attrition.

 

[Pi brat]

Have you east pilots considered the position that you are find yourselves?

The situation has changed but I think you fail to understand. In the NY action brought by usapa. The UCC and AMR told the BK court that this is Parker's problem that needs to be solved before us airways and AMR pilots can merge. Judge Lane pointed that fact out during the hearing.

AMR weighted in in AZ and told the court that they need a decision on the merits quickly and this needs to be solved first, before the merger. They also said that this case is ripe.

The company has told the court this case is ripe and they need a decision on the merits. The company has told the court and the NMB that it is usapa that is delaying and a dragging out the seniority dispute.

Usapa first asked for a delay because of the NY action. They told the court that the case would not be ripe until the MB processes is complete, that could be another couple years. In usapa's latest filing they are complaining that the rules are not being followed that they need extensive discovery and that this case should not be heard for a long time.

The UCC, AMR and the company have all said that they need an answer on the merits quickly and they can't wait anymore. At what point do the money men ignore the delay tactics of a union that is about be no longer exist and move on with an 11 billion deal?

Here is my question. What if Parker and AMR just decide that they are going to abide by the T/A and implement the Nicolau? They have said the MOU is a contract. A contract triggers the T/A and implements the Nicolau. No negotiations for seniority between east west. They can integrate east west flying. No more liability from the west.

What stops Parker from using the Nicolau if the case is dismissed or delayed?

If usapa gets what they are asking for no ones problem is fixed and we will be back in court some time in the distant future. If the company does what they should have done years ago this ends.

I think the last thing usapa would want is what they are asking for. Dismissal. That means Parker finally makes a decision and that is unappealable to any court. Dismissal goes under the careful what you wish for label.

What stops Parker, AMR and the UCC from making the decision to use the Nicolau?

Fear of a dying union? Fear of east pilots with an injunction against them? Delaying for a couple more years losing money running separate ops? Usapa has backed Parker into a corner and he needs to move now. Delay has worked for you but that horse has been ridden into the ground.

The other possibility is the judge grants a temporary injunction. Either today or in the very near future requiring usapa and the company to use the Nicolau.

She grants usapa all the things they asked for. delay, expensive discovery, an investigation into rules violations all of it. Once that injunction is in place usapa can drag this out as long as they want. Do all the discovery they want. But the Nicolau is the list that they will have to use during the delay getting to the trial on the merits. Any appeal of the temporary injunction will take a long time to be heard. The APA will become the bargaining agent and drop the appeal and most likely accept the temporary injunction as permenant.

The way I see it you east pilots are in a no win situation. If the judge agrees with usapa and dismisses. Parker decides on his own and implements the Nicolau because he needs the deal done. If the judge grants a temporary injunction that becomes the list for a very long time until we get to a trial that usapa never wants to happen.

All roads lead to the Nicolau.

How do any of you east pilots see usapa winning today?

I'm saving this post. I'd say none of the above, but we will see.

The MOU modified the T/A and calls for the continuation of separate ops. How do they now change their tune?

I think it was you that asked why USAPA closed the records. Is AOL updating you guys? Nothing on cactuspilot.com.

How can we agree to anything if the west is not a class in this suit?

 

[mrbreeze]

OK, in all fairness, here's your chance 319.....make or break yourself with this......give me the first name of FA Lombardo on my trip today. Flight 751 from BRU on 5/22. If you are East, it's an easy answer for you to come up with. If you dodge the question, ONCE AGAIN, you're a lying POS!
breeze

Once again, when asked to validate himself as an East pilot, dca319 signs off, runs away, and will not answer a simple question that would prove that he is who he says.

I hope that all who visit this web board will remember that ANYTHING dca319 posts is total BS and propaganda for the West pilots. He is a lying West pilot.
breeze

 

[Pi brat]

I've been gone a while so I apologize if this has been asked and answered.

Hasn't an essential tenant of the west been that there was no one to bargain for them? Isn't there a group of west pilots doing just that? If they magically came up with a solution, how can it bind the west?

All serious questions, not bait. Thanks.

 

[Pi brat]

Once again, when asked to validate himself as an East pilot, dca319 signs off, runs away, and will not answer a simple question that would prove that he is who he says.

I hope that all who visit this web board will remember that ANYTHING dca319 posts is total BS and propaganda for the West pilots. He is a lying West pilot.
breeze

Everyone knows he is a west pilot. You'd think he would be embarrassed. I can't imagine that most west pilots would claim to be east.

 

[mrbreeze]

I've been gone a while so I apologize if this has been asked and answered.

Hasn't an essential tenant of the west been that there was no one to bargain for them? Isn't there a group of west pilots doing just that? If they magically came up with a solution, how can it bind the west?

All serious questions, not bait. Thanks.

Hi PI,

Yes, from what I understand, that is correct. The West pilots claim to have no representation while using AOL as an illegal representative, considering that USAPA is legally their union.

I think that Seigel threw Silver a curve (intentionally) in his statements about ripeness, and his opinion on the West being allowed to have a seat at the table to represent themselves during arbitration. Seigel stated that the pre1978, CAB allowed factions of a union to have a seat at the table....when actually, USAPA's attorney has submitted evidence that in fact, the CAB never allowed that to happen....ever.

However, in order to comply with Silver's order to negotiate, I believe that USAPA is going along with the order for the time being, until there is another hearing.

It appears to me that Seigel is trying to throw Silver some curve balls to keep her off balance.
breeze

 

[Pi brat]

When a federal judge says jump, everyone says OKAY! We'll spend another $100,000 on nothing. Cheaper than not jumping I guess.

I think she and Siegal(sp?) are sympathetic to the west's case.

 

[Hate2fly]

These westies are wacked! Silver is creating a real mess. Next you will have the AWAPA guys the Compass Correction guys and Chips unbiased guys all going to Silvers courtroom looking for a deal. This is absolutely crazy. This judge is going against long established labor law. These AZ judges need to be schooled in the RLA. You westies have put another AZ judge in a very poor position like you did with Wake.

 

[Pi brat]

These westies are wacked! Silver is creating a real mess. Next you will have the AWAPA guys the Compass Correction guys and Chips unbiased guys all going to Silvers courtroom looking for a deal. This is absolutely crazy. This judge is going against long established labor law. These AZ judges need to be schooled in the RLA. You westies have put another AZ judge in a very poor position like you did with Wake.

I'm thinking of forming a LLC called the Brat Pack to file suit on the MOU. I'm not happy with various sections and although I voted for it, I think it's illegal. I want my superior vision of the world in general to be heard.

 

[Hate2fly]

With Silvers mentality you would be able to gain access to this mess. I am just waiting for the AWAPA guys to get in the mix.