April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

You, like the dissent of the 9th, still appear to assume USAPA is bound by the internal rules and processes of ALPA. Your presumption that USAPA has any hill to climb (ie. prove themselves free from the processes and internal rules of ALPA) is nothing new. It was already dealt with.

As I have said repeatedly, even if it is ripe, the plaintiff will be required to show the standard of DFR and prove that USAPA's product fails to meet that minimum standard. The plaintiff can't even bring itself to acknowledge the SCOTUS DFR standard quoted by the 9th, but instead they continue to presume USAPA's guilt and double down on the hope that USAPA will mysteriously be required to prove its innocence....

That might be a useful strategy if you were bidding and holding positions on the Nic (think about that for a minute).

I've thought about it, attended the DFR I trial, helped fund the defense. I'm a firm believer that justice will be served. As I am writing this, a few miles from my house Jodi Arias was found guilty of Murder 1. Her lies caught up with her and I think that USAPA has always been less than ethical. That may also cost the association in Silver's Courtoom.

Eventually justice is served. I'll be there when USAPA is handed a defeat once again before it dies.

 

[Phoenix]

I've thought about it, attended the DFR I trial, helped fund the defense.....

Are you confused about who the plaintiff and the defendant are? Do you know who has the burden of proof? Or is that why you want to be the defendant?

 

[Claxon]

I've thought about it, attended the DFR I trial, helped fund the defense. I'm a firm believer that justice will be served. As I am writing this, a few miles from my house Jodi Arias was found guilty of Murder 1. Her lies caught up with her and I think that USAPA has always been less than ethical. That may also cost the association in Silver's Courtoom.

Eventually justice is served. I'll be there when USAPA is handed a defeat once again before it dies.

Justice was served and you lost, now back in line.

 

[Pi brat]

I think that USAPA has always been less than ethical.

Do you think it is ethical to vote for the MOU just to make your previous claim ripe while knowing what is in, just to turn around after it's passed and claim it is illegal?

 

[Metroyet]

Do you think it is ethical to vote for the MOU just to make your previous claim ripe while knowing what is in, just to turn around after it's passed and claim it is illegal?

Did you think you could avoid ripeness forever? The MOU was neutral on seniority. Fine. THE WEST AND THE LAW ARE NOT. SYIC.

 

[Claxon]

Did you think you could avoid ripeness forever? The MOU was neutral on seniority. Fine. THE WEST AND THE LAW ARE NOT. SYIC.

At least you get to keep what you brought to the merger, PHX base and your exact same position for the last six years.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

How about we give Mr. Kirby a polygraph test, they are very reliable.

My favorite post of the day!

Greeter

 

[prechilill]

Do you think it is ethical to vote for the MOU just to make your previous claim ripe while knowing what is in, just to turn around after it's passed and claim it is illegal?

Absolutely. I can't believe you clowns didn't see this coming. But thanks for voting in the Nic!

 

[snapthis]

Do you think it is ethical to vote for the MOU just to make your previous claim ripe while knowing what is in, just to turn around after it's passed and claim it is illegal?

Do you think it is ethical to take your anger out on West pilots and make them scapegoats because an arbitrator handed a decision to both parties who sat at the table and agreed to a process? All we expected was a person's word meant something. These past few years have taught me more than the half-century prior learning about human nature. I must say I am disappointed.

I remember hostages being held for 444 days by "angry students" in Tehran. I've been held hostage by angry FO's in Charlotte and by Ayatollah Bradford for 1846 days.

Lawyers and courts make justice a very slow process. I'm more confident than every justice delayed is just that...delayed.

 

[Phoenix]

Do you think it is ethical to take your anger out on West pilots and make them scapegoats because an arbitrator handed a decision to both parties who sat at the table and agreed to a process? All we expected was a person's word meant something. These past few years have taught me more than the half-century prior learning about human nature. I must say I am disappointed.

I remember hostages being held for 444 days by "angry students" in Tehran. I've been held hostage by angry FO's in Charlotte and by Ayatollah Bradford for 1846 days.

Lawyers and courts make justice a very slow process. I'm more confident than every justice delayed is just that...delayed.

First it was a murder verdict, now its "Tehranian terrorists" and the "Ayatollah"... drama queen much?

 

[EastUS1]

All we expected was a person's word meant something.

I remember hostages being held for 444 days by "angry students" in Tehran. I've been held hostage by angry FO's in Charlotte and by Ayatollah Bradford for 1846 days.

Lawyers and courts make justice a very slow process. I'm more confident than every justice delayed is just that...delayed.

1) Does that noble notion cover even your own "spartans", like Move2CLT/dca, the "East" pilot?

2) Seriously!? You would honestly attempt even the smallest association with being an abused and actual hostage, in reasonable and constant fear for your very life, with just sitting safely at home whining for the nic? Is there some special school for drama queens you guys run in "spartan" day/child care?

3) "justice delayed is just that...delayed" So..When can we expect OJay to finally be convicted for those murders?

"These past few years have taught me more than the half-century prior learning about human nature. I must say I am disappointed." That's certainly shared sorrow. Imagine how I feel, since I formerly held far more esteem for "pilots" in general...'till meeting up with greed-soaked little "knights who fought with valor in many battles", "Larry Potta", "spartans" and even "dire wolves", without the slightest morals or ethical respect for anyone but themselves. Should you need a perfect example for those observations; I give you prechill from another thread: "Interesting. I was in early grade school in the 70's" who now only wants to "righteously" jump many years ahead of others that were flying planes while she was in diapers, or at best; first grade.

 

[Beancounter]

Do you think it is ethical to vote for the MOU just to make your previous claim ripe while knowing what is in, just to turn around after it's passed and claim it is illegal?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how it's illegal. It works just fine for merging US Airways and American pilots. It just may not be the road to a three way do-over that you thought it was. It is after all neutral on seniority.

Bean

 

[EastUS1]

Pi brat, on 08 May 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

Do you think it is ethical to vote for the MOU just to make your previous claim ripe while knowing what is in, just to turn around after it's passed and claim it is illegal?

Absolutely.

I think we're done with any issues of ethics here. New "spartan" T-shirt to soon be issued: "Integrity Matters" on the front, and "Absolutely Kidding" on the back.

 

[prechilill]

Pi brat, on 08 May 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

Do you think it is ethical to vote for the MOU just to make your previous claim ripe while knowing what is in, just to turn around after it's passed and claim it is illegal?



I think we're done with any issues of ethics here. New "spartan" T-shirt to soon be issued: "Integrity Matters" on the front, and "Absolutely Kidding" on the back.

What size do you want? XL??

 

[Pi brat]

Did you think you could avoid ripeness forever? The MOU was neutral on seniority. Fine. THE WEST AND THE LAW ARE NOT. SYIC.

You showing up in court? Kind of spooky for someone that doesn't have anything to do with this.