April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

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Cheers Bean, goodnight. Trader is going to distance himself from us really soon again! Maybe.

Perhaps a little night reading before you turn out the lights- document 57 is a good read followed by 49- nighty night!
 
"Before the new consolidated seniority list was presented to the employer, US Airlines, the America West pilots sued the new union in federal court, alleging breach of the duty of fair representation (DFR) under federal labor law. A jury trial was held in Arizona Federal District Court. The jury held for the America West pilots and against the new union. Notwithstanding the jury trial and verdict, the Ninth Circuit dismissed for lack of ripeness holding, in effect, that the case was premature.
A case is “ripe” for decision: (1) when the case can be decided without considering “contingent future events that may or may not occur; and (2) when direct and immediate” hardship” will occur if a decision is not rendered—and the hardship entails more than ”possible” financial loss."

DFR 2, this is chess not bowling west.

http://www.mcbride-l...s-not-checkers/
 
If you are an east pilot tell me who is the captain on flight 786 CDG-CLT on the 6th of May. Only east pilots can acess that info on catcrew and I see you are still following this thread. it is 11:01pm on the east. You should be able to find this info in 5 minutes. GO!
dca319???????? It is 11:16pm , you need more time? I see you are still logged in on this thread. Crickets..........
 
Perhaps a little night reading before you turn out the lights- document 57 is a good read followed by 49- nighty night!
Already read it. Yawn. Doesn't matter what Amr thinks. It will be what the judge thinks that matters. And if Silver gets it wrong the 9th will correct her and she knows it.
 
Let me ask again. Is it the belief of the West Class that Silver can and will impose the NIC on the East next week?

And. Is it the claim of the West Class that Silver will find that DOH is not an LUP? No DOH as per a Federal Judge. A new precedent? A new precident ignored by every other labor group East and West. Every one?

And how does Prechill ascend to the left seat of a 330 in CLT, when she is junior to Greeter on the NIC and a DOH list?

Greeter
Are you really this slow or just playing ignorant?

Do you think judge Silver missed that usapa is, has and always will demand DOH? Was she unclear that usapa's position is DOH? If she knew usapa's only position is DOH why would she include the statement about needing an LUP if she thought DOH was an LUP?

Think before you post.

Ever thought about WHY the other labor groups went DOH? Because DOH is their merger policy. The dispatchers used arbitration and because surprise the west dispatchers were going to get a big raise DOH balanced that. Just like the east pilots got a big raise that balanced not using DOH.

Will judge Silver issue an injunction next week? Who knows maybe. She might or she might schedule a trial.

Either way I can't wait to hear usapa's LUP. DOH ain't it.
 
Already read it. Yawn. Doesn't matter what Amr thinks. It will be what the judge thinks that matters. And if Silver gets it wrong the 9th will correct her and she knows it.

A post based on sound reason LOL. God you are entertaining.
 
I'm a team player, that's really what it means.
I know, I know. You are that crazy woman that goes to all the crew news and tries to assert herself to Doug and Scott only to be disappointed again. I think last time you were crying about "STAGNATION". Maybe you should go back to work for the IRS.
 
"Before the new consolidated seniority list was presented to the employer, US Airlines, the America West pilots sued the new union in federal court, alleging breach of the duty of fair representation (DFR) under federal labor law. A jury trial was held in Arizona Federal District Court. The jury held for the America West pilots and against the new union. Notwithstanding the jury trial and verdict, the Ninth Circuit dismissed for lack of ripeness holding, in effect, that the case was premature.
A case is “ripe” for decision: (1) when the case can be decided without considering “contingent future events that may or may not occur; and (2) when direct and immediate” hardship” will occur if a decision is not rendered—and the hardship entails more than ”possible” financial loss."

DFR 2, this is chess not bowling west.

http://www.mcbride-l...s-not-checkers/

DOJ and POR approval, CBA signed? Just to name a few, this is green bananas now.
 
dca319: We've lost.

dca319, on 07 May 2013 - 08:42 PM, said: You know well that I'm not a west pilot....

We've really....We made fools of ourselves.....is more proof that even you guys see the end is near.

Hmmm...."We've", "We've" yet again..."We", but then suddenly; "you guys"...? That's most interesting from any clinical perspective, little "spartan". :) I've never seen ANY poster so desperate to employ "we", clearly in some twisted attempt at manufacturing "credibility".

Seriously: You need help.
 
I know, I know. You are that crazy woman that goes to all the crew news and tries to assert herself to Doug and Scott only to be disappointed again. I think last time you were crying about "STAGNATION". Maybe you should go back to work for the IRS.

You nailed it! God you're a genius!!

Seriously, this time next year we will all be on the same team, rowing together in the same direction... We need to learn to get along. I'm looking forward to AVL. A short commute to my left seat in CLT. Are you coming to PHX?
 
A post based on sound reason LOL. God you are entertaining.
Doesn't take much to entertain a simple mind. Judge Wake learned the hard way, I would have thought you learned your lesson last time. But that's why Lynrd has more money than you. Watch out for that zipper and you'll be good !
 
AMR another neutral party. this is just a few of the things they had to say.

Second, American seeks to express — briefly — its unique perspective on the argument made in this Court by Defendant USAPA that the long-running pilot seniority integration dispute among the US Airways pilots is not yet ripe, and will not become ripe for a matter of years. Accepting that argument would mean an effective halt to the pilot seniority integration aspect of the American/US Airways merger process for years to come. Such a result would force the merged American to manage its pilot workforce as if the two airlines remained separate indefinitely, but certainly for years to come, denying American, and its employees and other stakeholders many of the efficiencies on which the merger was predicated.

Once again usapa in the 180 degree world they have created gets it backwards. Usapa accuses the west of trying to stop the merger yet here is AMR telling the court it is really usapa.


It bears repeating: American takes no position on the merits of this case or even, for the most part, the relief the Court might consider should Plaintiffs prevail. Moreover, discussions with Plaintiffs’ counsel have yielded proposed language granting injunctive relief that would, if entered as suggested, leave USAPA and the other parties to the merger seniority integration process free to comply with their contractual obligations.


The injunction as proposed by the west would force usapa to live up to their contractual obligation. Not as usapa said prevent them. The only thing an injunction using the Nicolau would prevent usapa from doing is advancing east pilots.
 
Doesn't take much to entertain a simple mind. Judge Wake learned the hard way, I would have thought you learned your lesson last time. But that's why Lynrd has more money than you. Watch out for that zipper and you'll be good !

Well, my money is going to collect faster now that I can *finally* bid CLT 320 c/o.
But looking at the latest bid I'm considering 76i c/o. Hmmmm. Don't really know what to do.
 
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