At what time did it come to your attention that there was a dispute?
Be gentle...That poor "spartan" is struggling here Brother.
April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion
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Be gentle...That poor "spartan" is struggling here Brother.
A tragically sad business Jake. I can't yet dismiss the possibility of sabotage, by any means, but no matter really: May God Bless all who died and their remaining loved ones.
There, but for fortune, go any of us...and every day's a precious gift.
What else was that jury smoking, one must wonder?...Perhaps a bowl from the same bong as "Ripeness?...Does that even matter?" genius-level-judge Wake?
Phoenix
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What else was that jury smoking, one must wonder?...Perhaps a bowel from the same bong as Wake?
The jury has refused to say what substance it was smoking but it is sure that it was not a bong. The jury offered a defense to prove they were not smoking a bong... because they did admit that whatever substance was being smoked, it was rolled in the written findings of the jury, which upon smoking has been forever lost.
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For now, don't care. After the Nic is forced into APA integration, I'm sure AOL Will sue the Sh!t out of anyone and everyone that might owe reparations. I hope those parties have saved their pennies because the West Class is going after all of them. Except this time,they don't have the extorted resources to pay for their egregious behavior. I'll double my AOL contributions to haunt/torture the offending parties into perpetuity.
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If I were you I would triple your donations. It will be a long and fruitless hill to get damages against USAPA for not using something the court didn't require them to use all these years. You may want to quadruple your donations and add the 9th as a defendant.
snapthis
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I think you nailed it.
Cliff notes version:
We had 1800 pilots on furlough, they have 1800 pilots. Since we are the majority and they won't comply with our demands, we'll hold them hostage for 7 or 8 years. They mean nothing to us. They were just a bunch of regional airline pilots and we can form a new union to take their jobs. We'll get our guys back to work.
They can't do anything about it. We're the majority, who cares about their families. If they dare to rise up against us, we'll make an example of them by taking hostages. That includes their wives, their children, their careers. They don't matter to us. We want them to pay dues to our association to further our career "expectations" because we deserved it.
Walmartgreeter
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[font="Arial""]I think you corrected me on this a few days ago, I meant to respond. If ripeness walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....This is still about a DFR being ripe; in this case the West Class is asking for a specific instance where a DFR would be assured in the future. No different, still not ripe. Nobody has any idea what will come in the future. This is a duck dressing up as a "contingent" DFR. Not going to happen.
Silver and the Ninth ruled you cannot have ripeness in a DFR until the deed is done. The company already tried this malarkey before, trying to get Silver to give them a pass if things went bad...when "things" had actually not occurred. They did not get their declaration, as Silver had no idea how they or the union would negotiate, or what the final product, its context, or its effect on all pilots might be. There will always be someone unhappy because they are not number 1 on the list, in fact all the pilots below that guy would have a DFR if “happiness” is the standard.
I see what Harper wants, I say he does not get it. A judge or jury cannot find a party guilty based on something they "might" do, nor will a Judge tell a labor union how it has to negotiate. This tactic did not work for the Company, won't work for Harper.
There is NOTHING NEW HERE. We still have two contracts, two lists, and just voted on a new T/A that may or may not ever be relevant. And somehow the West Class thinks they can get a DFR in the bag BEFORE anything happens with this "declaratory" judgment. This would in effect limit the union in how it negotiates. Courts don’t do that.
Last time we visited Silver she said we did NOT have to use the NIC. She said we were free to negotiate. What would change her mind? Nothing has changed. [/font]
[font="Arial""]And the Courts will continue to say “no” to conditional DFR requirements, other than the boiler plate warnings about “being fair.”[/font]
[font="Arial""]Greeter[/font]
Translation = Waaah!
Not even much impressive for lower-echelon, sophmoric rhetoric Snap. We've long known that, despite your intentions being to place your new hires ahead of people with nearly 2 full more decades worked, and how truly "noble" and "Integrity" ridden your "righteous cause" is, and how you're all really just innocent little victims of vile oppression for not being handed your nic....well...No matter. I'm merely posting again to correct an earlier, and wholly improper affront to Girl Scouts everywhere = I'd said: Some "army" you've got there.
Perhaps you "spartans" should consider reconstituting your little "army" with something other than a slicked-haired, pathetic numbnutzz as it's self-styled "Supreme Commander"....Perhaps even with someone who's at least been a Girl Scout?...And would thus know the moral teachings of a properly "military" organization? I should NEVER have unfairly compared a bunch of fantasized little "spartans", "knights" and "dire wolves" to actual Girl Scouts, and those last now have my earnest apology.
"... because the West Class is going after all of them." Ooh! Now THAT'S downright scary!!!
I feel reasonably secure in suggesting to you the thought that, outside of your perverse little coven of mighty "spartan" beyotches, that precious few other people anywhere on earth lose any sleep over your petulant and pathetic little childish fantasies.
Sue 'till your hearts are content and your wallets empty. Let us all afterwards know how wielding your massive "power", aka: "AOL Will sue the Sh!t out of anyone and everyone.." ever actually works out for you. We can always use a good laugh. GO "spartans!"
"Let mountain and desert tremble!" "Youse" just gotta' admit: Lawrence Olivier would've been a LOT more impressive than your truly pathetic little "Supreme Commander", Duchess Fergie. You really should have at least hired someone who'd not be so easilly and necessarily laughed at....Just sayin' Heck! If you really had wanted any credibility at all...you would have done far better employing some actual Girl Scouts. At least you could have gotten some cookies.https://www.youtube....h?v=nZL_TOV9-m0
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Be careful what you wish for.If I were you I would triple your donations. It will be a long and fruitless hill to get damages against USAPA for not using something the court didn't require them to use all these years. You may want to quadruple your donations and add the 9th as a defendant.
Oh Dude...that's goin' all totally yawn Dude.
No matter. The laughs are always good here.
GO "spartans!"...Push all of us "lemmings" into the "sea of death" already!
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Yes. They are running to the hills and back to the city to wander in the streets evading your relentless pursuit. You will get them one day. The you-know-who-they-are, crushed lives, scab pricks, penniless, POSs, eating dog food until they die. What a miserable, dreaded plight they endure at the hands of the relentless, mighty, dire wolves!
You should consider writing novels or filming youtube videos, maybe even eat some dog food for character perspective. Chuck Wagon, Purina, and ALPO are all about the same.
cactusboy53
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Sorry, but you are completely wrong.
At the time of the merger "snapshot" the former US Air had 5098* pilots on its seniority list. Of that 5098, 1691 (33%) were FURLOUGHED. (Reference: The Nicolau Award, page 5)
* This number also reflects the 105 CEL (Combined Eligibility List) pilots that had never flown a mainline aircraft, and 212 Mid-Atlantic Division pilots.
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