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Come on, Westies, how about some honest to goodness legal debate. HMMM?
April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion
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Walmartgreeter
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I don't get it. You had a "final and binding" process that you thought was complete. Why would the West Class vote for a new process, if they already had what they wanted under the old one?
I have not done the math, but 25% of our pilots voted against the MOU, most all of them East. What would have been the result if all the West had voted against it?
You voted for a new process, but still cling to the belief the old one, though never completed, applies.
Nothing has changed. Nothing can change until the POR. How is Silver going to change her opinion? Will her logic and ruling be "conditional" on the POR?
Greeter
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You CANNOT and WILL NOT get any proper legal debate from Dave or Clear. NONE. Look at the legal postings I put up today and what do we get from them? Either "nanny nanny boo boo" or "SYIC" or .....SILENCE! Why, it's because the cult of AwFOL continue to follow the FLAWED legal preaching's of Jacobs and Harper. Their Complaint AND the motion for the PI, along with the admonitions of both Rosenblatt (http://leonidas.cact...oc_37_Order.pdf) and Silver (http://leonidas.cact...ng_schedule.pdf) are telling. Their EMOTIONAL legal pleadings are meant to get the courts to "have pity on us" and punish the WHOLE PROCESS of merging the EMPLOYEES OF BOTH COMPANIES into a meaningful whole. Their overwhelming process is to poison the merger and a "scorched earth" policy. Dave is a BPR rep who is the leader of their anarchistic "shining city on the hill" embodied in fascist jihadi thought. The truth shall set you free and it also HURTS.
Zone5
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WRONG! DOH always has and up through the recent Aug 2013 BID NO:13-03 is the only methodology in use at LCC. What was the most recent West bid based on? Shoe size?
Yes, East and West agreed on a "process", one that was never completed or implemented. We now have a new "process" and unless Judge Silver reverses her order issued as per her DJ ruling regarding the proposed injunction (AKA a successful "Hail Marty") and "ripeness" (more like fermentation) of a DFR-II, that new "process" will proceed.
Don't forget to update your West permanent bid, assuming you have a senior enough DOH seniority, you should consider a 75 position now that it pays considerably more than the little bus. Then again, with the stagnation anticipated by the company "out West", it may be awhile before you have that opportunity.
The company filing is nothing more than an effort to provide a basis for them to request a dismissal from any potential "future" DFR-II. I think they are just fine with the "new" process (MOU) proceeding to completion and I think it will.
seajay
I have a few old posts from Dave(PHX rep) that clearly show the stalemate we were in prior to the MOU. Should I send them to Pat?
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You mean when we were ALPA? Why should YOU care, all you do is complain about the so-called "#### slap" US Airways pilots gave you when you went on strike back in like 1995. You left and now work somewhere else. Sour grapes ex-stock clerk/lavatory truck operator. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS5mz5S1ER0&noredirect=1
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You can ONLY quote what Dave et. al. says you can that support THEIR arguments. FOUL!!! Danger, Will Robinson...DANGER, DANGER!
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What strike in 1995?
The strike was in October of 1992, and this is a message board where anyone can post, now isnt it?
Glad to see you have to try and insult and attack instead of sticking to a debate with facts.
And you were the ones whining to the company about the IAM to make us take off the "thanks for nothing alpa buttons"
And your union made a sweet heart deal to cross the picket line, at least the FAs honored the strike and the court had to order them to work.
The strike was in October of 1992, and this is a message board where anyone can post, now isnt it?
Glad to see you have to try and insult and attack instead of sticking to a debate with facts.
And you were the ones whining to the company about the IAM to make us take off the "thanks for nothing alpa buttons"
And your union made a sweet heart deal to cross the picket line, at least the FAs honored the strike and the court had to order them to work.
traderjake
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The only legal debate that matters will happen in court.
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You know, the AwFOL Spartan "Black Knights" have made a brave showing. Their on-going mission is to continue to mock USAPA with their movie "skits" from Auxier and Anger (how appropriate). I can make movies like them and put virtually no effort into it. In fact, here is a legal pleading ore to their level. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4
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I couldn't recall the year until I looked it up and you are correct, the FACT is that it WAS in 1992. And the answer is: GET OVER YOURSELF. I was flying because ALPA national told us to. Legally, sympathy striking is illegal and that is what we were told. Sweet heart deal is an accusation, not a fact. You said it yourself, the FA's were ORDERED BACK TO WORK, S--thead! Sue me, you dolt.
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Ah, theres the TRUTH of it. Then why all the BS here? So far, I've been batting .500.
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Honoring a picket line is not illegal, all US CBAs had picket line honoring language, the AFA honored the strike, had to be ordered back to work, then won in arbitration.
ALPA at US cut a deal, US grounded all the DC-9s, MD-80s, F28s, F100s and 737-200s and the company would pay all the pilots as long as you crossed the picket line, ALPA and the pilots are traitors to organized labor.
And what about all the pilots who during the 30 day cooling off period were cleaning planes?
It is a fact, the company did not have to pay any pilot due to their plane type being grounded by the strike, stop lying all ready.
I hope I am never on a flight you are the pilot on, since you have to call names instead of debating with facts.
Very mature of you.
ALPA at US cut a deal, US grounded all the DC-9s, MD-80s, F28s, F100s and 737-200s and the company would pay all the pilots as long as you crossed the picket line, ALPA and the pilots are traitors to organized labor.
And what about all the pilots who during the 30 day cooling off period were cleaning planes?
It is a fact, the company did not have to pay any pilot due to their plane type being grounded by the strike, stop lying all ready.
I hope I am never on a flight you are the pilot on, since you have to call names instead of debating with facts.
Very mature of you.
Tim Nelson
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700uw is an ill ask management loyalist who was pushing a ta that contracted his own job out and even though he sat on the negotiations team he didnt know how to read the language, so he is simply incapable of understanding the legality of sympathy strikes as he listens to everything the ill ask management pipes in his rented out brain. The kicker is that he doesnt even work in the airline industry. I dont wish anyone an extended layoff of five years but at some point, 700uw has to stop living off of public assistance and quit vegetating on the internet. regards,
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