April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

[robbedagain]

Tim
Let me try to clarify for those that may have trouble understanding. As I said in a earlier post, we aren't looking to get a complete new exhaustive contract since the merger was announced. We feel as a committee, that certain things will be better addressed in joint talks. We have been saying this since the merger was announced. There are some specific things we feel we must get our members prior to moving to joint talks. Seniority protection was a must. Scope, while we have made what I consider a very good proposal for article 3 as a whole, the one thing we had to do prior to moving to joint talks was " stop the bleeding " of our jobs and cities. We must also get improvements on the financial side of things before moving to joint talks. Looking at the issues above, this past week, we accomplished what we must have in seniority and scope to get us to the joint talks. We still are working on the financial issues. This in no way means that we are satisfied with scope, it merely means, we got the protection we needed for fleet to get us to joint talks and address it there for the rest of the improvements. The company is very aware of our intent. It is my understanding that 142 is doing the same thing we are. Certain things must be met for them, prior to moving to joint talks. Your entitled to disagree with this approach, which I'm sure you will. Just keep in mind, according to your post about a year ago now, none of this was going to happen. We were going straight into joint talks without getting fleet anything. Now you want to disagree with what we are doing? Lol, I guess that's the beauty of these forums.

cb p rez however you guys can improve this deal to go into the joint talks at least from my perspective end of it i see it as at least it would be a improvement going into the merger. i for one am glad am happy that at minimum for the time being able to protect cities that were on the slaughter house and the most important thing seniority in the merger. i continue to wish you p rez and the entire nd team going in to dfw in a week and a half from now and i sure hope we can get better financial gains good luck

 

[robbedagain]

While there is strength in numbers , there is no strength in crazy ....

I believe in REASONABLE gains ,in fact that's usually where progress can be found ....if other unions want to try to go for the moon more power to them but its gonna be a long ride .

As I've said before I and others accepted that contract because it was either that or work in poverty for who knows how many years .

i still say this 08 contract never should have passed and as has been pointed out to you a number of times had it failed then the company would have had to come up with a better proposal for all.

 

[P. REZ]

of course i disagree with you because what you did is not going to cover anyone, zippo, when joint talks commence presumably fall of 2014. Then the joint talks themselves will most likely take years. U r doing exactly what i said. At united, afa and ibt first signed no layoff guarantees plus the ibt got a bit more scope.AH owes you a steak for punting on scope/job security because he will have a free hand in less than 12 months. At any rate put up the loa. regards

Tim,

Scope has not been signed off on. This LOA deals with the problem that was right in front of us, the ability of the Company to outsource several stations now. Scope is still a part of our negotiations. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that scope is a very tough issue to deal with considering the ramifications it has on peoples lives. You do realize that we have better scope than UA, CO, AA and DL and that SW is waging a war on Fleet to outsource some of their work. This has been a brutal industry for scope in the last 10-15 years. Sounds like you need a fishing trip so you can chill.

P. Rez

 

[mike33]

of course i disagree with you because what you did is not going to cover anyone, zippo, when joint talks commence presumably fall of 2014. Then the joint talks themselves will most likely take years. U r doing exactly what i said. At united, afa and ibt first signed no layoff guarantees plus the ibt got a bit more scope.AH owes you a steak for punting on scope/job security because he will have a free hand in less than 12 months. At any rate put up the loa. regards

Tim

Without seeing the exact LOA language I also had reservations and concerns of what could happen 1 yr from now. Stop comparing us to UA / HA etc etc. give that mentality a break for a little will you? If this LOA saves those station for a year instead of having to relocate by summer then something is worth just that. Lets see where the next round of talks take us. The ratchet is turned up on AH also for a smooth transition

Regards.

 

[blue collar]

And hence why you are in the situation that you are in.

There is strength in numbers.

So I see you are happy about the LOA, if so, then why did you throw your coworkers to the street on the transition agreement?

The IAM brought the crappy TA back for them to vote on, don't they hold any blame for bringing it back? The M&R TA was just as bad and it passed too, I don't see you saying anything to the mechanics who voted it in...

 

[charlie Brown]

of course i disagree with you because what you did is not going to cover anyone, zippo, when joint talks commence presumably fall of 2014. Then the joint talks themselves will most likely take years. U r doing exactly what i said. At united, afa and ibt first signed no layoff guarantees plus the ibt got a bit more scope.AH owes you a steak for punting on scope/job security because he will have a free hand in less than 12 months. At any rate put up the loa. regards

Do you have trouble reading??? I already answered you about the LOA. Your reaching now Tim with your post. Guess your having trouble turning this political somehow. Besides I like doing things for people that expected something from us!! We have already far exceeded your expectations on the NC. So I'm not too interested In doing what you want! I do however like a good argument though if you want to continue.

 

[700UW]

The IAM brought the crappy TA back for them to vote on, don't they hold any blame for bringing it back? The M&R TA was just as bad and it passed too, I don't see you saying anything to the mechanics who voted it in...

Lets see the chapter 11 CBA gave the company the ability to outsource as much as they wanted, the TA brought back work in-house where 50% of billable hours are now done in-house, you got pension improvements, pay increases, vacation and sick increases and holidays back.

It wasnt Section 6 negotiations, it was a transition agreement, and it was pretty good, fleet voted down one TA and voted in a worse one.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Do you have trouble reading??? I already answered you about the LOA. Your reaching now Tim with your post. Guess your having trouble turning this political somehow. Besides I like doing things for people that expected something from us!! We have already far exceeded your expectations on the NC. So I'm not too interested In doing what you want! I do however like a good argument though if you want to continue.

huh? Sorry but politics have nothing to do with you guts half assing it and bragging about protecting things we already have. U just dont understand. Where do u get your info that joint talks are going to happen so quick? And please show some respect for the membership and post this great loa. Lmfao

 

[Tim Nelson]

Do you have trouble reading??? I already answered you about the LOA. Your reaching now Tim with your post. Guess your having trouble turning this political somehow. Besides I like doing things for people that expected something from us!! We have already far exceeded your expectations on the NC. So I'm not too interested In doing what you want! I do however like a good argument though if you want to continue.

btw i do have trouble reading a loa that you havent posted. And you can #### most of our members into thinking joint talks will b quick but unless you wipe out an election, no way.

 

[700UW]

Sounds like sour grapes, tim, why dont you go to the three stations that would have been outsourced and tell them too bad, your going to lose your job or move away to keep employment.

See how they react.

Its a long process and any improvement is a gain.

I guess since your not in charge nothing is good enough.

 

[charlie Brown]

huh? Sorry but politics have nothing to do with you guts half assing it and bragging about protecting things we already have. U just dont understand. Where do u get your info that joint talks are going to happen so quick? And please show some respect for the membership and post this great loa. Lmfao

I have respect for the membership or I wouldn't be on here answering questions and giving out Info. Well I got my info from you Tim!!! Your the one that said Rich would take us into joint talks immediately once the merger is announced. So you tell all of us again, when are we going into joint talks??

 

[P. REZ]

huh? Sorry but politics have nothing to do with you guts half assing it and bragging about protecting things we already have. U just dont understand. Where do u get your info that joint talks are going to happen so quick? And please show some respect for the membership and post this great loa. Lmfao

Tim,

Where do you get bragging from? We have positive information for people and reported it. This has nothing to do with politics right now, just that members were helped with the developments this past week.

P. Rez

 

[robbedagain]

probably sometime in 2050!!! lol

i appreciate all the hard earned efforts from you cb and p rez and the entire nd team. and as 700 said any kind of gain for the protection is a gain is a plus plus win win

cb i dont know if you can tell but in the financial gains area but would say a 3 to 6 dollar or so an hr increase in pay be withing reach and on par with say the likes of ual dal or is it something you cannot tell

 

[freedom]

i still say this 08 contract never should have passed and as has been pointed out to you a number of times had it failed then the company would have had to come up with a better proposal for all.

And has been pointed out to you , after we signed the contract the economy took a giant dump ...so.......

 

[robbedagain]

but explain why swa ua and dl paid their employees more than we simple answer and a fact you helped to vote in the pos contract period
had it failed the company would had to come up with a better proposal