April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

[robbedagain]

before touchin any of those aa aircraft dont the aa folks who are on furlough have recall rights and if soo should they be the first ones to be able to come back to work and handle their metals til the actual merger is approved? i would not touch an aa plane til they had all of their recall exhausted

 

[Tim Nelson]

I am hearing a rumor that US Fleet in PHX will be handling AA flights in the near future, instead of the contractor that AA is presently using. Not sure if that's exactly "helping hand" as there are no AA agents, and I am glad whenever we get more work, but I feel as if we are taking the work from the AA guys who were furloughed as part of the BK contract.

Helping hand agreements are agreements that make things more 'seamless' when you have two sets of active employees. Like SFO during the America West/US AIRWAYS agreement. My bet is that the local chairman RH wasn't too happy with that deal. Still, it's tough on folks when they are laid off in mergers. I imagine there is a reason why the MOU with AMR states that the laid off workers can't displace current workers. Says something to that affect. regards,

 

[737823]

Did you feel that way when you voted for the current agreement which led to the furlough of your own coworkers?

Doesn't the "monumental" UAL TA that removed scope from all but seven stations by 2016 do the same?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Guess you cant comprehend it was voted down, so there is not UAL TA, its dead and gone.

 

[737823]

FSU

AGW

Dual Unionism

File short on cards

Encouraged a slow down on the big picture

Try to sell your name list to the ibt for a job

try to raid the twu at AA also

Removed from grievance committee

You are the one who campaigned for Delaney, O'Donnell and the rest you complain about.

Do you have facts to backup these claims? Please share them for us to review.

Josh

 

[737823]

Guess you cant comprehend it was voted down, so there is not UAL TA, its dead and gone.

But yet Rich Delaney, Ira Levy, and Sito Pantoja kept saying it was a terrific agreement that was monumental. They were all very proud of the fruits of their negotiations. Why are they proud of a POS TA that the membership resoundingly defeated? Could it be because they don't need to work under it?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Dont have to share anything with you, its been proven over and over and this isnt the first time it has been posted, Tim and others have all ready acknowledge these actions.

Do you not read this thread?

Guess you will have to ask Sito, Rich and Ira about that, now wont you?

And I wasnt in their negotiations, I dont know what position the company took.

 

[737823]

Tim and others have all ready acknowledge these actions.

Link please.

Josh

 

[737823]

Guess you will have to ask Sito, Rich and Ira about that, now wont you?

And I wasnt in their negotiations, I dont know what position the company took.

They likely struck a backdoor deal to outsource the work to IAM vendors like ZW so the IAM wouldn't lose dues payers.

Josh

 

[700UW]

I have all ready provided links, if you are too lazy to look stuff up then its on you.

I have posted the TWU letter about tim numerous times.

The IAM doesnt tell UA finance who their vendors will be, those contracts are put out for bid and UA selects their vendors.

 

[737823]

I have all ready provided links, if you are too lazy to look stuff up then its on you.

I have posted the TWU letter about tim numerous times.

The IAM doesnt tell UA finance who their vendors will be, those contracts are put out for bid and UA selects their vendors.

I read the letter, doesn't address the other points you raised.

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/53703-any-rampers-want-to-talk-iam-vs-twu/#entry910103

Josh

 

[700UW]

Then ask Tim.

I was there, I lived it, ask Roabilly and anyone else on here, they know what I posted is factual.

The letter address his dual unionism, the agw, his twu and tim as all ready admitted he was a member in bad standing and was removed from his grievance chairman in the past and removed from his organizing job also.

Cant read what he all ready posted?

 

[roabilly]

I read the letter, doesn't address the other points you raised.

http://www.airlinefo...wu/#entry910103

Josh

700 is correct… Tim has a somewhat “checkered” past… and by his own admission those assertions have validity. Actually, it really doesn’t matter what you believe... or don’t believe! Further, are you even an F/S IAM Member?

 

[roabilly]

700 who is this this dude Josh? I've watched him follow you all over these boards attemting to run block on facts, while inserting disinformation. Is he MTC?

 

[charlie Brown]

To be sure, I support the IAM"s current position, i.e., contract before transitions. And they are in legal position to do that. Any 'helping hand' agreement is under the transition talks but could be incorporated into a new IAM contract prior to any representational dispute. While I wouldn't think a completely exhaustive contract is on the menu [although we can hope], I think a wage increase up to American's scale [about a $2 buck increase] and a bump or an enhanced guarantee in scope can get done, especially if a helping hand that speeds up the merger is granted. Both, wage increases and additional stations, are sure to happen anyways so if the company and union can work things out sooner, as opposed to later, then isn't that a win win? My concern would be at what cost? AMR workers pay about $247 a month for health care [full timers and part timers have the same], whereas US AIRWAYS full timers only pay about $81 a month for health care unless they have the 100% plan. [part timers x 2]. So, I don't think anything is gained if a full timer gets a $2 raise but then has to fork over an additional $150 a month in health care cost. Given the predicament of working for an airline that is making hundreds of millions of dollars and desperately needs support for a 'seamless' merger, I don't think there is anything we have to give up. Certainly cost neutral contracts should be discouraged out of bankruptcy by the Union, just as much as they were discouraged by the company in bankruptcy. regards.

Tim
Since the merger we have basically changed focus from getting a complete exhaustive contract, to now looking at the things we feel that the membership must have prior to going on to full integrated talks. We have made these issues clear to the company, and will see what their response will be when we head to DC next week.