I understand your response, and beliefs, please understand mine..it is a nasty world out there, and those with most to lose will use the most to win...and just for your info.....I have nothing to lose either way. I just hate to see a hard working group of employees, that have more time on the toilet, than Dave/Dave have on the floor, screwed out of their future and past. Its to bad that a group of people that were either brought in or bought in, can dictate the future of those that have spent /deticated years to this company, and were not asked in the past/or listened to, on how to fix it. Just ask yourself...How Much is enough?