Anyone Care To Guess ?

[Harry Callahan]

At the rate USAIRWAYS is going, does anyone venture a guess as to how much longer before the company self destructs ?

 

[700UW]

October

 

[autofixer]

I am beginning to change my view. I think that if ALPA gives up scope protection, UAIR will park the Boeings and start replacing them with EJets. As someone on here always says, "a virtual airline." If this happens, UAIR will have extremly low costs and will be able to compete with SWA, et al. That being said, there will be another 10 or 15 thousand employees out of work at UAIR. When it comes down to it, Seagull is only responsible to the shareholders and they could be rewarded in the end. Perhaps it is time to buy UAIR? JMHO. I hope this is not the plan, but it looks like it is and ALPA is walking into the trap.

 

[USAirUnited]

No one is going to vote their own job out the door.....

 

[deltawatch]

Goverment will pull the plug on either Usairways or United after the presidental election in November, no matter who wins.

 

[Light Years]

I am beginning to change my view. I think that if ALPA gives up scope protection, UAIR will park the Boeings and start replacing them with EJets. As someone on here always says, "a virtual airline."

I dont see why they cant do this without it having to be virtual. What if they ask for scope to change to US flying everything in return for the new contracts? Have a pay scale for the EMB170/175/ 190/195 that is competitive and replace the 737s with it on mainline. They are going to anyway, why let others fly the plane?

I just dont understand why there couldnt just be a single seniority list and pay scales for the CRJ, EMB, A320, and A330 for pilots. For flight attendants, there could be a "short haul" (CRJ/EMB) division and long haul (A320/A330) division, but really I dont see why it couldnt all just be the same single seniority list... wouldnt it make staffing, planning, communication, standardization, quality control, morale, administration and employee costs a million times easier to deal with one group of people rather than countless companies, subsisiaries, affiliates, divisions, classifications?

 

[Light Years]

And I also think we'll see a different attitude towards the airlines after the election. But it does depend on which way it goes.

 

[Fubijaakr]

As a Major airline: September. :down:

If they morph into a Regional: Unlimited.

But, there's no inbetween and you can't have it both ways. :censored:

 

[autofixer]

Light Years, I agree. However, management would rather have the jobs farmed out. No workman's comp or FICA and so forth. As far as why can't the EJets be flown on mainline?...they should. There even once was an RJ pay rate on mainline (F28). The whole RJ issue is simply to bust the unions and it looks like it has been fruitful.

 

[ktflyhome]

I will say October, but for me I say August. :unsure:

 

[willnotworkforfree]

after crunchin the numbers, I would say around the 1st of Sept.

 

[Kev3188]

I just dont understand why there couldnt just be a single seniority list and pay scales for the CRJ, EMB, A320, and A330 for pilots. For flight attendants, there could be a "short haul" (CRJ/EMB) division and long haul (A320/A330) division, but really I dont see why it couldnt all just be the same single seniority list... wouldnt it make staffing, planning, communication, standardization, quality control, morale, administration and employee costs a million times easier to deal with one group of people rather than countless companies, subsisiaries, affiliates, divisions, classifications?

[/QUOTE]

Light--

I've been saying this at NW for a long time. You can use the CRJ (or ERJ) as the "entry" level A/C. In our case it'd be a replacement or complement to the DC9-10 fleet to start, with maybe some -30's as well. Mainline employees already work these in a lot of cities across the NW system, so ground costs stay static. As far as pilot costsincreasing over time, how many do you know that would be content to stay on a RJ instead as opposed to,say, a 747?


By the way, we also own or lease all of the CRJ/ARJ fleet, and sublease the to Mesaba & Pinnacle.

 

[Winglet]

U will become the powerhouse of the industry. SW and JB will be the corporate equivelents of smoking hulks. In a UCT, U will buy UAL and staple what few people they take to the bottom of the seniority list. U320pilot will become a 777 Captain.

Oh . . . . . and a U 777 Captain will be making $65K a year . . . . much more than the MAA rate.

 

[flyin2low]

By the way, we also own or lease all of the CRJ/ARJ fleet, and sublease the to Mesaba & Pinnacle.

Now there's a definite violation of scope.

 

[deltawatch]

Quote "I just dont understand why there couldnt just be a single seniority list"

Labor divided is easier to destroied. Play one against the other.