Another School Massacre

[delldude]

Meanwhile investigators remain silent on the questions regarding Adam Lanza's reported history of psychiatric medications.

It hasn't been leaked yet, HIPPA don't mean squat.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Someone hasn't paid a file clerk enough to leak it yet?

 

[delldude]

Someone hasn't paid a file clerk enough to leak it yet?

No, sadly it will be some LEO wonk most likely.

An anonymous source close to the investigation said....

 

[signals]

The idiot in Webster may have targetted the firefighters, because when his mother died in October she donated all her money to the firefighters.

 

[KCFlyer]

We know in vivid detail what guns Lanza used, how many shots he got off, where they landed and all.

Where is the media reports on what med's and why was this kid on them?

I may have missed the report or was there one?

Hmmm....I wonder how you guys would react to a question when purchasing a gun..."is anyone in the household on psychiatric medications". If the answer is "yes", then a little closer look is in order. BUT....that's a violation of your second amendment rights. It's better to sell the gal her gun and take her medicated son to the shooting range for "family bonding time", and after he goes bonkers, blame the meds and procalim that the mom should have exercised better "personal responsiblity".

 

[delldude]

Hmmm....I wonder how you guys would react to a question when purchasing a gun..."is anyone in the household on psychiatric medications". If the answer is "yes", then a little closer look is in order. BUT....that's a violation of your second amendment rights. It's better to sell the gal her gun and take her medicated son to the shooting range for "family bonding time", and after he goes bonkers, blame the meds and procalim that the mom should have exercised better "personal responsiblity".

Here's what you have to deal with to carry here.

FYI- Pa concealed weapon permit form dealing with those areas.

CHAPTER 61) § 6105, DEALING WITH INDIVIDUALS NOT TO POSSESS FIREARMS AND § 6109, DEALING WITH THE ISSUANCE OF A LICENSE TO CARRY FIREARMS.
29. TWO REFERENCES – NOT FAMILY MEMBERS
NAME
ADDRESS
TELEPHONE NO.
NAME
ADDRESS
TELEPHONE NO.
30. DO YOU MEET ANY OF THE FOLLOWING PROHIBITING CRITERIA UNDER 18 PA.C.S. § 6109(e)(1)? CHECK YES OR NO IN THE BOX BY
EACH QUESTION:
A. IS YOUR CHARACTER AND REPUTATION SUCH THAT YOU WOULD BE LIKELY TO ACT IN A MANNER DANGEROUS TO PUBLIC
SAFETY? YES NO
B. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF AN OFFENSE UNDER THE ACT OF APRIL 14, 1972 (P.L. 233, NO. 64) KNOWN AS THE
CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, DRUG, DEVICE AND COSMETIC ACT (CSDDCA)? (AS PROVIDED IN 18 PA.C.S. § 6109(e)(1)(II), ANY
PENNSYLVANIA DRUG CONVICTION UNDER THE CSDDCA IS PROHIBITING FOR A LICENSE TO CARRY.) YES NO
C. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME ENUMERATED IN § 6105(b, OR DO ANY OF THE CONDITIONS UNDER
§ 6105© APPLY TO YOU? (READ INFORMATION ON BACK PRIOR TO ANSWERING) YES NO
D. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ADJUDICATED DELINQUENT FOR A CRIME ENUMERATED IN § 6105 OR FOR AN OFFENSE UNDER
THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, DRUG, DEVICE AND COSMETIC ACT? YES NO
E. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN INVOLUNTARILY COMMITTED TO A HOSPITAL/HEALTH CARE FACILITY FOR A MENTAL HEALTH
CONDITION OR OTHER TREATMENT, OR ADJUDICATED INCOMPETENT/INCAPACITATED? YES NO
F. ARE YOU AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS A HABITUAL DRUNKARD, OR WHO IS ADDICTED TO OR AN UNLAWFUL USER OF
MARIJUANA OR A STIMULANT, DEPRESSANT, OR NARCOTIC DRUG? YES NO
G. ARE YOU NOW CHARGED WITH, OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME PUNISHABLE BY IMPRISONMENT FOR A
TERM EXCEEDING ONE YEAR? THIS IS THE MAXIMUM SENTENCE YOU COULD HAVE RECEIVED, NOT THE ACTUAL
SENTENCE YOU DID RECEIVE. (IT DOES NOT INCLUDE FEDERAL OR STATE OFFENSES PERTAINING TO ANTITRUST, UNFAIR
TRADE PRACTICES, RESTRAINTS OF TRADE, OR REGULATION OF BUSINESS; OR STATE OFFENSES CLASSIFIED AS
MISDEMEANORS AND PUNISHABLE BY A TERM OF IMPRISONMENT NOT EXCEEDING TWO YEARS.)
YES NO
H. HAVE YOU EVER RECEIVED A DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE FROM THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES? YES NO
I. ARE YOU A FUGITIVE FROM JUSTICE? THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO MOVING OR NONMOVING SUMMARY OFFENSES UNDER
TITLE 75 (RELATING TO MOTOR VEHICLES). YES NO
J. ARE YOU PROHIBITED FROM POSSESSING OR ACQUIRING A FIREARM UNDER THE STATUTES OF THE UNITED STATES? YES NO
31. ARE YOU A UNITED STATES CITIZEN? IF NO, COUNTRY OF BIRTH
COUNTRY OF CITIZENSHIP ALIEN REGISTRATION # OR I-94# YES NO
32. IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT OF ANOTHER STATE, DO YOU POSSESS A CURRENT LICENSE, PERMIT, OR SIMILAR DOCUMENT TO CARRY A
FIREARM ISSUED BY THAT STATE? IF YES, ATTACH A PHOTOCOPY OF THE DOCUMENT TO THIS FORM. YES NO
33. I have never been convicted of a crime that prohibits me from possessing or acquiring a firearm under Federal or State law. I am of sound mind and have
never been committed to a mental institution or mental health care facility. I hereby certify that the statements contained herein are true and correct to the
best of my knowledge and belief. I understand that if I knowingly make any false statements herein, I am subject to penalties prescribed by law. I
authorize the sheriff, or his designee, or, in the case of first class cities, the chief or head of the police department, or his designee, to inspect only those
records or documents relevant to information required for this application. If I am issued a license and knowingly become ineligible to legally
possess or acquire firearms, I will promptly notify the sheriff of the county in which I reside or, if I reside in a city of the first class, the chief of
police of that city. This certification is made subject to both the penalties of § 4904 of the Crimes Code, 18 Pa.C.S., relating to unsworn falsifications to
authorities and the Uniform Firearms Act.
SIGNATURE - APPLICANT ______________________

Reasons for a denial:

The Sheriff has the right to deny a license to any applicant who falls into one of the following categories, in addition to any unlawful circumstances brought to his attention:

1. an individual whose character and reputation is such that the individual would be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety;
   
2. an individual who has been convicted of an offense under the Controlled Substance, Drug, Device, and Cosmetic Act;
   
3. an individual convicted of a crime of violence;
   
4. an individual who, within the past ten years, has been adjudicated delinquent for a crime of violence or for an offense under the Controlled Substance, Drug, Device and Cosmetic Act;
   
5. an individual who is not of sound mind or who has ever been committed to a mental institution;
   
6. an individual who is addicted to or is an unlawful user of marijuana or a stimulant, depressant or narcotic drug;
   
7. an individual who is a habitual drunkard;
   
8. an individual who is charged with or has been convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
   
9. a resident of another state who does not possess a current license issued by the state;
   
10. an illegal alien;
    
11. an individual who has been discharged from the armed forces of the United States under dishonorable conditions, and;
    
12. an individual who is a fugitive from justice.

Once an application for a license to carry a firearm has been filed, the Sheriff's Office has 45 days in which to complete a background investigation and notify the applicant as to whether a license will be issued. Once issued, the license is valid for a period of five years.

Our next priority is to process the applications of those who wish to carry a firearm. In addition to having the authority to issue licenses, the Sheriff also has the authority to revoke a license for good cause. Examples include, but are not limited to:

• Fines (Traffic, Non-Traffic and/or Criminal)

• Pending Hearings

• Incompleted Probation/ARD

• Falsifying Information

• Repeat Offenders

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Conceal is different from Mr. Bonkers buying his bushmaster from you at the loc VFW hall turned into gun show. Have cash, get gun.

 

[delldude]

Conceal is different from Mr. Bonkers buying his bushmaster from you at the loc VFW hall turned into gun show. Have cash, get gun.

Yeah but the parameters they look at are very similar to where they looking on an instacheck for a purchase.

 

[KCFlyer]

Well Dell, those are all nice questions and such, but I notice that the questions all refer to "you". Not "is anyone in your family a #### homicidal maniac who is on antidepressants and/or other psychotic mediacations". Because that question SHOULD be there. If it were, perhaps there wouldn't have been guns in the homes for the Columbine shooter or the Sandy Hook shooter. And I would include Ritalin or Adderal in those drugs. If a kid in the house is being treated with psychotic medications, guns should not be allowed in the house. If mom and dad can't handle junior off the meds, then they shouldn't be allowed to own guns.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Yeah but the parameters they look at are very similar to where they looking on an instacheck for a purchase.

If we had those checks for every sale, we would chip away at some dumb asses getting guns. Would it have stopped the latest? Most likely not.

Just because we cannot stop a past act does not mean we should throw up our hands.

I am a hunter with many guns. None of which I was not willing to wait a couple of weeks to get. True hunters do not impulse buy weapons.

 

[delldude]

The issue that needs addressed is mental competence.....but that too could be exploited for a political agenda.

 

[delldude]

Well Dell, those are all nice questions and such, but I notice that the questions all refer to "you". Not "is anyone in your family a #### homicidal maniac who is on antidepressants and/or other psychotic mediacations". Because that question SHOULD be there. If it were, perhaps there wouldn't have been guns in the homes for the Columbine shooter or the Sandy Hook shooter. And I would include Ritalin or Adderal in those drugs. If a kid in the house is being treated with psychotic medications, guns should not be allowed in the house. If mom and dad can't handle junior off the meds, then they shouldn't be allowed to own guns.

They don't sell guns to the house........to the individual.

 

[delldude]

Well Dell, those are all nice questions and such, but I notice that the questions all refer to "you". Not "is anyone in your family a #### homicidal maniac who is on antidepressants and/or other psychotic mediacations". Because that question SHOULD be there. If it were, perhaps there wouldn't have been guns in the homes for the Columbine shooter or the Sandy Hook shooter. And I would include Ritalin or Adderal in those drugs. If a kid in the house is being treated with psychotic medications, guns should not be allowed in the house. If mom and dad can't handle junior off the meds, then they shouldn't be allowed to own guns.

Now we're going down a slippery Constitutional slope.
First prove those meds turn everyone into homicidal maniacs.
Now you want to go into the living room and evaluate ma and pa.

Too easy KC.......no chance the doctors prescribing these meds should be looked at?
Or your government whose free med programs prescribe these modern miracles?
Where you going with this now?

 

[KCFlyer]

They don't sell guns to the house........to the individual.

Yep, they sure do Dell. Now. That individual is living in a house with a kid on antidepressants and psychotic drugs. I know it's not the house, it's the individual...but that individual is living IN the same house as the mentally deranged kid. I prefer a question asking if there is anyone with a mental deficiency sharing the house with that INDIVIDAL. ..you prefer sitting back after 20 kids who haven't seen thier 10th birthday lay dead and discuss how the mom didn't exercise very good personal responsiblit...that a house can't own a gun...and that guns don't kill, people do.

 

[KCFlyer]

Now we're going down a slippery Constitutional slope.
First prove those meds turn everyone into homicidal maniacs.
Now you want to go into the living room and evaluate ma and pa.

Too easy KC.......no chance the doctors prescribing these meds should be looked at?
Or your government whose free med programs prescribe these modern miracles?
Where you going with this now?

Well Dell...that's why I say that if the answer is "yes" we need to look a little closer. Some people respond well to meds...some have suicidal and homicidal thoughts. I think a little extra checking is in order

Yeah...those liberal doctors throwing drugs at the kids. Funny thing, though, those gun loving parenst ACCEPTED those mind altering drugs that those liberal doctors were dispensing to their kids. Why did they accept those mind altering drugs that those liberal doctors were dosing their kids with? Because they were too #### busy to handle the kid without them. IT interfered with their time at the shooting range.