and still nothing for the peons....

[WorldTraveler]

Not going to argue with you because when facts are presented to you they become irrelevant to the agenda you want to propel here. I simply really don't want to entertain the little game you play any longer. It gives me indigestion.

you mean you don't want to admit that what I am saying is true.

your CEO acknowledges that AA people are not paid as much as other industry employees and your peers here say the same thing... but what do they know?

 

[WeAAsles]

you mean you don't want to admit that what I am saying is true.

your CEO acknowledges that AA people are not paid as much as other industry employees and your peers here say the same thing... but what do they know?

9109 BAD. Far and away leading the pack. :wacko:

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm sorry but saying things just because it isn't what some people want to hear is not the way I operate. Running around and shooting the messenger while you "whoop, whoop, whoop" with your hands over your ears to avoid hearing what someone else says doesn't change the reality that I have earned a lot of negative things such as AA's bloated workforce which others are now seeing as well as issues like AA's revenue vulnerabilities.

It is clear that the entire basis of the merger from Parker's viewpoint was the same as the TWU has used for years - keep as many jobs as possible but at a lower salary than possible

E noted in his own thread that AA's overstaffing relative to DL and UA increased AA's labor costs by hundreds of millions of dollars even though the difference in revenue is far smaller.

Parker cannot bring the salaries of AA employees up until the numbers of people are brought down, esp. given that such a high percentage of AA's workforce in many workgroups is still senior which increases the cost of their benefits, even if salaries are low.

Given that AA's revenue fundamentals are weak and are expected to remain so for the foreseeable future, the outlook for improving pay for those who remain is not great.

Some people will benefit financially from the merger but many AA employees will not.

 

[WeAAsles]

I respect Eolesen's opinions on this board because people ASK for his opinion and he is courteous in his responses for the most part.

You on the other hand WT just comment on here to ANNOY people. You apparently have no life since you never stop slogging away at it even when people constantly tell you that they don't care about your opinions.

 

[WorldTraveler]

The facts aren't any less of the facts regardless of how they are presented.

There are a lot of people who haven't ask for the endless posts that others have made here either... the difference is that I was right on many of the subjects about which you and others didn't want to hear an opinion and were quick to belittle someone who didn't think like you.

Life is full of interactions that we might or might not want. How they are handled says volumes about the responder. And there are plenty of people who aren't about to walk away from their argument just because some people have thin skin and have acted out in ways that are far from demonstrating the respect that you and others seem to think you are entitled but aren't willing to show.

and you can prove me wrong down the road but I don't believe that AA will be passing out pay raises to most of the rest of AA's employees because costs are already pressured on a shrinking revenue base. All it takes is an uptick in oil prices - and they are slowly moving up as it is - and much of the industry's current profits can be wiped out.

If raising pay just because airlines are profitable was the mode of operation for airline mgmts., then WN would have settled with its people a long time ago - and should close every contract this year.

but they won't and it still remains that some AA people have benefitted from this merger and others not only haven't but won't.

 

[700UW]

Wrong, AA will be has given raises to all non-union employees and DL+7% for Pilots and FAs, and maintenance and ramp will be next.
 
Raises are guaranteed in each work groups CBA.
 
Ramp at US and Maintenance got nice raises last year and more to come this September, as did AA's fleet and maintenance.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[WeAAsles]

Wrong, AA will be has given raises to all non-union employees and DL+7% for Pilots and FAs, and maintenance and ramp will be next.
 
Raises are guaranteed in each work groups CBA.
 
Ramp at US and Maintenance got nice raises last year and more to come this September, as did AA's fleet and maintenance.

US employees received very nice raises.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

As far as AA Fleet we went up by almost $2.00 per hour with the merger and my guess is that we're looking at about $24.50 when the averaging takes affect in September? (Still assessing how the averaging formula is being equated) Now IF we are to go 7% above the TOP Delta wage, that comes out to about $26.50. DL, UAL and SWA have shift differential (.50 average) so I'm expecting that to maybe be included? If the max longevity is also incorporated, then in BASE wages I'm looking at a potential of $27.30 working afternoons? On top of that I was given shares in the new AAL to compensate me for my contract (CBA) losses in the BK that hold a current value of roughly $13.000. I also took the return of my Medical pre-funding direct contributions and invested that in AAL as well and am quite satisfied with that return.

This is not to take away from the losses that I'm well aware of that came in the BK. My 6.25% multiplier Pension was frozen and in exchange I received a 5.5% 401k match (On all dollars earned) and I had to up my contribution to that to make up for the frozen Pension, no retirement medical being offered (Thank you Obamacare for being there when I get out though) My Medical and deductibles rose (Thankfully have not had to use it much) and we gave up jobs performed, stations and some language from our CBA that have value.  

I guess it's all up to the individual on how he assesses he's fared through and since the BK was announced? But for me I'm satisfied with the direction so far when I'm pretty sure without the merger where we all would be standing right now. (Waiting till 2018 to begin negotiating from a BK contract)   

 

[WeAAsles]

Rather, the airlines’ new-found profitability stems from other significant changes that are less-well-reported and recognized: the elimination of about 150,000 jobs across the industry since 2001, and the financial restructuring of the industry, largely through the Chapter 11 bankruptcy and merger processes.
 
Between airline deregulation in late 1978 and the year 2001 U.S. airlines struggled under enormous pressures from the deadly combination of economic instability, uncontrollable labor cost growth,  new competition in both the international and domestic discount markets, fleet over-expansion, hyper price competition, rising taxes, the global spread of disease, rising geo-political instability and war, consumer demand for access to expensive new technologies, and lots of plain ol’ dumb management decisions. There were a couple of short periods of what, by broader market measurements, amounted to very modest profitability. But when totaled up, the losses over that 22-year period swamped the few years of profitability.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielreed/2015/04/27/dont-believe-everything-you-read-lower-fuel-prices-arent-why-us-airlines-are-earning-big-profits/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix

 

[Vortilon]

Wrong, AA will be has given raises to all non-union employees and DL+7% for Pilots and FAs, and maintenance and ramp will be next.
 
Raises are guaranteed in each work groups CBA.
 
Ramp at US and Maintenance got nice raises last year and more to come this September, as did AA's fleet and maintenance.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 
 
Here's a fact, there is more to compensation then just pay raises.  How pathetic were the raises that are only months old, and yet we remain among the lowest paid in the industry.  AA's AMTs still only receive 5 holidays at time and a half.  The sick time accrual is sub par, sick time pay out is still half pay for the first day.  There is more to list, that is a fact.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
 
Here's a fact, there is more to compensation then just pay raises.  How pathetic were the raises that are only months old, and yet we remain among the lowest paid in the industry.  AA's AMTs still only receive 5 holidays at time and a half.  The sick time accrual is sub par, sick time pay out is still half pay for the first day.  There is more to list, that is a fact.

And still currently at the moment how many more jobs are under your umbrella than are at other airlines? I know you don't care about those things but those are the direct reasons that you are compensated less than your industry peers.

All I would ever really like just one of you guys to say or admit is that you don't care about those jobs and would dump them in a heartbeat if you could get more for yourselves.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2013%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Productivity/MX/Average%20In%20House%20Maintenance%20Employees%20per%20Aircraft.htm

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2013%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Productivity/MX/Percent%20of%20Maintenance%20Expenses%20Outsourced.htm

 

 

[Rogallo]

Are there any charts and graphs for fleet?

 

[WeAAsles]

Are there any charts and graphs for fleet?

Unfortunately not. But you can look at the industry contracts and read the differences for yourself if you like. That and networking with people is the only way to do a comparison. There are a few stark differences both good and bad.

 

[Buck]

Average In House Maintenance Employees per Aircraft
 
Showing that the number of maintenance employees per aircraft also shows the TWU type unionism at its core. Having a system where the union is a business unto it's own which in this case, requires a higher number of members to make their revenue mark and at the same time applying their culture of socialism employment, only leaves the company with one direction and that is to keep a lower cost per employee. This has worked well for almost all involved. The company, the union, but not the mechanic. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Average In House Maintenance Employees per Aircraft
 
Showing that the number of maintenance employees per aircraft also shows the TWU type unionism at its core. Having a system where the union is a business unto it's own which in this case, requires a higher number of members to make their revenue mark and at the same time applying their culture of socialism employment, only leaves the company with one direction and that is to keep a lower cost per employee. This has worked well for almost all involved. The company, the union, but not the mechanic.

It's also worked well for the people that you would obviously rather see on the unemployment line. Guess you figure it wouldn't be you so phuck em right?

 

[Buck]

It's also worked well for the people that you would obviously rather see on the unemployment line. Guess you figure it wouldn't be you so phuck em right?

Seems like the corporate greed issue, touched a nerve? No, your theory of  not caring about your fellow employee dates back to at least the B-Scale system of the 1983 contract at AA that those members showed how much they cared.  I would really like to to see a fully employed society, instead of paying taxes to support them. Look at the minimum wage war, what has happened? The demands of those workers forced some into unemployment and some businesses into closing, is that ok with you? Paying the Peons should happen, but look at your own contract, where is the Gain Sharing Plan? Why can't the union force the company to uphold what they agreed to?  Truly, how do you feel about the wage disparity of the mechanics to the other union members or those other members to those on the unemployment line? Since you seem to have me pegged, do you own any firearms?