Amfa's Attempt To Deceive!

[Checking it Out]

In AMFA’s attempt to divert attention to their inability to collect enough interest! Amfa has chosen to contest the filing of the list AA supplied to the NMB. Read carefully the rhetoric and remember the previous posts on this site and you will see it has no merit!

Is this whining at its best?

Many of the same people they have mentioned, are the same groups they have solicited themselves to inflate their numbers! Is this deception and half-truths at its best! Or just double-talking?

The plot thickens! Desperation has set in! Expect more rhetoric to come!

 

[proAMFA]

The erroneous list is an obviously inflated roster of supposedly "craft and class" members that include upper management, ticket agents, the deceased, retirees, terminated personnel, baggage handlers and duplications. It is nothing more than a desperate company doing its best to protect its puppet union. You must ask yourself why would the company go to such extraordinary lengths to protect the TWU? Why would the company allow anti-AMFA propaganda under locked glass bulletin boards? Why would the company allow announcements over the intercom thanking the TWU during a period that they are suppose to remain neutral?

AMFA protesting each and every signature that does not belong on the list and their protest of the behavior of the company reassures me that I am supporting a union that will do what the TWU has not...

Fight for Us

 

[twuer]

Does this look familiar?. . .

http://www.the-mechanic.net/pdf/delltoon5.jpg

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

OH NO! IT'S CIO,TWUer LYING AGAIN!

 

[Hackman]

In AMFA’s attempt to divert attention to their inability to collect enough interest! Amfa has chosen to contest the filing of the list AA supplied to the NMB. Read carefully the rhetoric and remember the previous posts on this site and you will see it has no merit!

Is this whining at its best?

Many of the same people they have mentioned, are the same groups they have solicited themselves to inflate their numbers! Is this deception and half-truths at its best! Or just double-talking?

The plot thickens! Desperation has set in! Expect more rhetoric to come!

Well well cio, your true management colors are showing through. I surmise that you feel the company did the right thing by putting your friends in management in our craft and class? Not to mention the rest that have no business on the companies list. It just shows how you and your unsavory kind will be jumping ship as soon as the company loses their twu bed partner to AMFA.

Get your ties, knee pads, and slacks together. Learn the phrase: "Would you like cream and sugar sir? Sucks to be you.

FYI cio, AMFA at AA has OVER 9000 cards. In the unlikely event the company was successful in keeping the dream alive for the twu (inflate the list), we would STILL have enough "intrest" to have a vote. We planned on this AA/twu collusion. We know all to well the lows you and your management buddies will go to keep this AA/twu scam going at all costs.

You twu clowns are almost done at AA!!!!


AMFA NOW!!!!!

 

[Raptor]

From what I have been hearing Hackman is correct there are more than enough cards for an Election even if we cannot remove anyone, the reason we want to remove inelegible voters is that it is an Election and we want only the people who should be voting to vote, I have NO interest in having someone vote who should not vote, most people who are not elegible would not be voting for AMFA if given a chance ( Managment, stock clerks, fleet service clerks etc. ) so you can understand why we will not be giving them a chance to vote that is why the list is being challenged, would you want AMFA supporters at Northwest voting in this Election ? We would but I bet that the TWU supporters would not.

I have a feeling that after AMFA challenges the list the TWU will turn around and do the exact same thing, counter challenge the list so be carefull what you say about this elegibility list challenge guys it is just part of the process and you know it.

So just deal with it.

 

[TonyB]

HEIL CIO! HEIL CIO! HEIL CIO!
:down: :down:

CIO give it up! As blind as you are even you can see the company is doing it's best to protect it's lAAp dog union. The truth is that CIO can't get into management so he does the next best thing, become a TWU lackey!
Thanks for the link!


TWU, AMERICAN'S ACE IN THE HOLE! :down: :down:

 

[twuer]

From what I have been hearing Hackman is correct there are more than enough cards for an Election even if we cannot remove anyone, the reason we want to remove inelegible voters is that it is an Election and we want only the people who should be voting to vote, I have NO interest in having someone vote who should not vote, most people who are not elegible would not be voting for AMFA if given a chance ( Managment, stock clerks, fleet service clerks etc. ) so you can understand why we will not be giving them a chance to vote that is why the list is being challenged, would you want AMFA supporters at Northwest voting in this Election ? We would but I bet that the TWU supporters would not.

I have a feeling that after AMFA challenges the list the TWU will turn around and do the exact same thing, counter challenge the list so be carefull what you say about this elegibility list challenge guys it is just part of the process and you know it.

So just deal with it.

Then why would Seham and his buddies want more time to get more cards signed if they thought amfa already had enough cards Raptor???????? Doesn't make any sense to me by what you are saying. If you have 50% + 1 of the cards needed for a vote then why all the fuss??

And as far as the list being "non-legitmate" do you have solid proof of that? Or are you going on the assumption that the list was rigged just to make amfa look better and to remove any blame put on amfa? If you have proof then produce it. . .if not quit crying about it.

 

[High Speed Steel]

From what I have been hearing Hackman is correct there are more than enough cards for an Election even if we cannot remove anyone, the reason we want to remove inelegible voters is that it is an Election and we want only the people who should be voting to vote, I have NO interest in having someone vote who should not vote, most people who are not elegible would not be voting for AMFA if given a chance ( Managment, stock clerks, fleet service clerks etc. ) so you can understand why we will not be giving them a chance to vote that is why the list is being challenged, would you want AMFA supporters at Northwest voting in this Election ? We would but I bet that the TWU supporters would not.

I have a feeling that after AMFA challenges the list the TWU will turn around and do the exact same thing, counter challenge the list so be carefull what you say about this elegibility list challenge guys it is just part of the process and you know it.

So just deal with it.

You suggest the scenario of having the AMFA supporters at Northwest voting on your behalf at AA...! Perhaps you should field that question to the Northwest mechanics who were decieved by AMFA and are now their job's are GONE FOREVER....!!!!

I suspect the reponse you would recieve would not be pleasant, and would be rated ® for profanity...!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO.....!

 

[Birdman]

Twuer, you get an F for logical reasoning and deduction because you have simply refused to think for yourself. When you were being fed all that balogna from CIO didn't it occur to you the craft and class has already been determined and is revealed on the 2/13/04 seniority lists available on several sites? You do the math and tell us what you get for Title I,II,IV, and Tech's. AA say's 18,698. Can you come up with over 3,000 "legitimate" employee's to add to our seniority lists? If you were being honest about it you would have to wonder why the inflated numbers?

 

[UnwillingTwu]

The amount of BS. tossed around on this site is amazing! Election Politics are just a game and the rules are set for the game Here

NMB.GOV

It would do a lot for the discussion if more new how the game was played!

 

[Checking it Out]

That’s right this is a game and will be over soon! If as you claim Amfa had more than enough cards than why file an objection? Amfa has solicited the same individuals that they are complaining about! Logic tells us otherwise! It is odd that they would even bring up the issue of playing unfair in this filing! Kind of double standards don't you think?

Keep up the rhetoric! The truth will prevail!

Hackman, the number of 9000 is a falsehood! Amfa national has told the organizers to pass this number around and than pass out miss-information so as not to look like idiots when they fail to show sufficient Interest! The number is closer to 8500. And by the way, that includes several management personal, retires, etc., etc., etc., so the final version may well be below that number!

 

[twuer]

Twuer, you get an F for logical reasoning and deduction because you have simply refused to think for yourself. When you were being fed all that balogna from CIO didn't it occur to you the craft and class has already been determined and is revealed on the 2/13/04 seniority lists available on several sites? You do the math and tell us what you get for Title I,II,IV, and Tech's. AA say's 18,698. Can you come up with over 3,000 "legitimate" employee's to add to our seniority lists? If you were being honest about it you would have to wonder why the inflated numbers?

Better re-check your math Birdman. And my reasoning is logical, otherwise it wouldn' have you so bothered!!

 

[Decision 2004]

Better re-check your math Birdman. And my reasoning is logical, otherwise it wouldn' have you so bothered!!

Since you are the math expert, and claim to know more than most, then can you explain how the craft or class is 2,069 higher today than it was in 2002? Was American Airlines hiring and facing Bankruptcy at the same time?

See Case # 29 NMB No. 51

STATEMENTS OF FACT

TWU is the certified collective bargaining representative for the following crafts or classes at American: Airline Mechanics, Ground Service, Plant Maintenance and Fleet Service Personnel, NMB Case No. R-1640 (1946); and Stock and Stores Employees, NMB Case No. R-1447 (1945).

The IAM is the certified collective bargaining representative of the following crafts or classes at TWA, Inc.: Mechanics and Related (including Fleet Service Employees), NMB Case No. R-1471 (1945); and Stock Clerks, NMB Case No. R-1606 (1946).

Mechanics and Related

American
13,337

TWA-LLC
3,292

TOTAL
16,629

 

[Hackman]

That’s right this is a game and will be over soon! If as you claim Amfa had more than enough cards than why file an objection? Amfa has solicited the same individuals that they are complaining about! Logic tells us otherwise! It is odd that they would even bring up the issue of playing unfair in this filing! Kind of double standards don't you think?

Keep up the rhetoric! The truth will prevail!

Hackman, the number of 9000 is a falsehood! Amfa national has told the organizers to pass this number around and than pass out miss-information so as not to look like idiots when they fail to show sufficient Interest! The number is closer to 8500. And by the way, that includes several management personal, retires, etc., etc., etc., so the final version may well be below that number!

Ok cio, I remember the saying about arguments with idiots, and thats what you unfortunately are. The company DID NOT (because they are the mighty AA) comply with the NMB rules as stated in the AMFA brief, and therefore, until they do, we can still submit cards until they (AA) comply. I know you have a very hard time dealing with the fact that 9000+ twu members signed cards, but I guess you"ll believe the end result of an election taking place.... Or don't believe it, I do not care either way.

Like I said, the game plan was to include the known collusion concerning AA and its twu lapdog. AMFA is in control of its game, they have been here before. So try and relax buddy, have a twu hotdog or two at the 514, slam back a fifth of J.D. for the pain, and enjoy your last remaining days, as the time is short for you and the twu at AA.