Amfa Wantabes, Explain What Amfa Does Better?

"However I doubt that the Good Year wheel and tire shops pay what AA pays, or the contractors who stick contact paper on toilet walls and doors."

Here in NY, they probably pay about the same.

On another issue, how are the officials of the TWU Internationals given their positions? I thought that was done during conventions when the ELECTED delegates from each local voted?

Ok but where is the accountability and the transparency? Most of the votes were done by voice where Sonny or some other International officer decided the outcome. ATD Directors, the Rail road director and the Transit Director are all appointed and "serve" at Sonny Halls discretion. Along with that you have all sorts of other appointees like Bobby Gless and Conley that make binding agreements with the company and are not subject to a membership vote. Most locals are not as big as Tulsa and the delegates are usually elected officers who like I said earlier have to take an oath to the International. If I recall there was one "delegate" from Tulsa who evcery now and then voted his own way much to the displeasure of the rest of the 514 delegation. They gave him a hard time about it. So who was he there for? The membvers who elected him of to secure Burchettes future with the International? By not voting the "right " way he left himself open for abuse and his members had no way of knowing how he voted.

If that is the case, I have commented before, I prefer such an indirect method,, to having some name shoved in front of me of someone from another carrier or even another station, that neither I nor anyone else has ever exchanged words with at my station or in my local. This indirect method is nothing new, it was in the US Constitution until travel and communications allowed senatorial candidates to travel widely in their states. Would you have the time and finances to visit even a small number of locals in your union to get name and face recognition?

I'm from a small Local, I would say that more TWU members would recognize my name than Denis Burchettes or Gary Yingst. With the Internet even small locals have the ability to reach other members.

You claim that a leader has to be a politician full time to get elected but a politician is better than a despot, which is what our system has wrought. Politicians at least are accountable.

Basically you are saying that you do not believe that members should be trusted to choose their own leaders, that you do not believe in Democracy. On the one hand you bring up the difficulties of a union wide election but then how can you defend the current structure where Sonny Hall appoints the head of the ATD who basically has complete control over our contract? How can AA members ever hope to gain control over their own contract negotiations?

Do you deny that elected officers often seek to please Sonny Hall or Jim Little in order to get International appointments? That the lack of transparency in this union fosters such behavior and helps keep the members in the dark? Especially now where most incumbants will face going back to work on the floor?

If we had the TEAMSTERS problems we would probably be better off than we are now.
 
Does any one out there have a copy of the last OZARK/AMFA contract?

If they do then we should compare that contract with the AA/TWU or the Eagle contract from the same year. Both EAGLE and AA are bigger than Ozark was.

That would be about as fair of a comparasion we could make except for the fact trhat OZARK was a relatively tiny airline and typically smaller airlines pay less than the "majors".

The NWA contract is basically a 50 year old agreement that was under the control of the IAM for 47 of those 50 years. Todays NWA agreement is basically an IAM agreement that has been modified by AMFA though one renegotiations cycle. However it is still much improved.

The AA agreement is a pure TWU agreement, with the largest most profitable carrier for most years. Same with Eagle.

One thing that I do know is that AMFA got better successorship protection than the AFL-CIO affiliated IAM. When Ozark was bought out by TWA the deal could not go through unless the AMFA guys were dovetailed. However when the AFL-CIO TWA repreented workers were merged in the AFL-CIO affiliated TWU they were not. So where was the advantage in these two examples? The IAM had successorship language but they waived all rights to it because they faced a huge financial liability should TWA go C-7. Once again we see a non-industry specific union sacrificing its members to protect the Institution.


In this example AFL-CIO affiliation proved to be less of a disadvantage as compared to being an "Independant, Stand Alone" AMFA member.
 
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From amfanuts.com

Is it true that a former scamfa official is now being hired by nwa to work with outside vendors in a management position?

Tell me it ain't so...

It's true. Steve Eilers, an AMFA Building B Shop Committee rep has took the job as "Manager Outside Repair". His job is to reduce the cost of Farm Out work so NWA can Farm Out more of our work! AMFA reps are tearing us apart from the inside.


Here is what amfa is doing better, reduce costs by outside vendors to increase work being out-sourced? what an interesting concept! TWU is learning how to compete to save jobs and amfa is training to out-source, what is the old saying? if you can't beat them! join them?
 
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From amfanuts.com

Is it true that a former scamfa official is now being hired by nwa to work with outside vendors in a management position?

Tell me it ain't so...

It's true. Steve Eilers, an AMFA Building B Shop Committee rep has took the job as "Manager Outside Repair". His job is to reduce the cost of Farm Out work so NWA can Farm Out more of our work! AMFA reps are tearing us apart from the inside.


Here is what amfa is doing better, reduce costs by outside vendors to increase work being out-sourced? what an interesting concept! TWU is learning how to compete to save jobs and amfa is training to out-source, what is the old saying? if you can't beat them! join them?
Do you really want to go there?

TWU 567 VP on Friday. AA HR Supv. on Monday

AKA Flip flop Klopp

The list goes on and on.... :shock:
 
AMFAMAN,

Funny you should cite the interesting case of Mr. Klopp.

Seems little Jim once wrote him a letter explaining that his "motion" before the Presidents Council did not pass, however, little Jim promised to never pass a Letter of Agreement that changed the wages, hours or working conditions of any TWU Member without a Membership vote.

Everyone agrees that the concessionary contract passed, though the conditions and integrity of that vote were challenged and many stil do not believe the outcome to be legitimate. A Federal Judge ruled that the problems with the vote were simply "clerical errors" and that no one could "prove" that the errors were intentional or that even if all of those not allowed to vote had actually voted it would have changed the result. How do you prove that the non-votes were actual no votes?

The problem is that little Jim, by accepting the "enhanced" performance bonus plan on behalf of every TWU Member changed both the wages and working conditions of the Maintenance & Related Contract without a vote of the Members: contrary to his promise to Mr. Klopp.

To tie this in with the thread, "Explain What AMFA Does Better?"

AMFA does not change the wages and working conditions of their members without a membership vote; much less "negotiating" such a promise with a Future Member of Management.
 
Thats nothing. What about the fact that the TWU had "Current" members of management who were still International officials!!!


The TWU had members of management in the International and at the Convention! It should be in the minutes. I'll try and find it.

Having guys leave or get booted out of office and going into management is pretty common but having members go into management and remaining an International official is really unusual, at least for a union, but then again we are talking Sonny Halls TWU here! I dont know if that fits the definition of "union".
 

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