Yes pls do share a photo of said BB. Would be nice to see as we await the NMB's ruling.
AMFA Organizing Drive to Replace Association
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Close but slightly off there with your analysis. Like AIM said, the card drive is over as they were all turned into the NMB.
The requiem you played is actually the requiem being played for the outcome of the soon to be announced vote coming. It's actually the requiem for the Asso., TWU & IAM representation of the last airline mechanics in the airline industry going bye-bye as far as the Mechanic and Related are concerned.
Tell you what there JimmyBop; you stay late to support this industrial union to the very end, just remember to turn out the lights when they fail the election vote coming...
JimmyBop is one of those guys that has to show support for the asso. but when he gets his ballot he will elect to get AMFA in. He too is sick and tired of all the games and infighting of these two unions.
His supplied taps requiem is really directed towards the asso. after the vote is counted.
I'm still hoping for hearing something by months end, not quite 2 weeks.
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People think that the word union or union members are all united together and share the same beliefs. Unfortunately this creates division among the ranks at all levels. This could not be more so with the situation we find ourselves in. Two unions is no different than having no union and all members are looking out for themselves to protect themselves. Hopefully with an election called, a vote in favor of one union to represent all of us who are currently divided in many ways throughout the system will be a much long overdue improvement not only in our current work groups but for future generations of employees. Many as well as myself have said this for years under the multi represented industrial unions and now the Association, "One union, One voice".
This Association is so large and corrupt that we are lost in the shuffle. We as members have no direct say to the ones at the International level. Throw in the AFL-CIO and it just gets more divided. If we get a vote I hope anyone on the fence will see things differently and in a positive way towards a better future.
This Association is so large and corrupt that we are lost in the shuffle. We as members have no direct say to the ones at the International level. Throw in the AFL-CIO and it just gets more divided. If we get a vote I hope anyone on the fence will see things differently and in a positive way towards a better future.
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As soon as I can, I have been ill. I see that it has been done.
What a view!!!
Thanks.
I did, and hope you did too.
Yup, another week went by.
New week, maybe we will here some new news. Would at least like to hear some sort of update on where the investigation is. I understand she wants to do a full transparent job, but kinda wondering what all she might be waiting on, or what the next step or possible time frame might be. Would be nice to know, but, guess we'll know when the time comes.
Not a better week to get the announcement out, and today would be perfect:
Happy AMT Day to all Aircraft Mechanics out there!!!
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Sounds like Gary is taking this opportunity on AMT day to campaign for the Association.
AMT day should never be about union politics. Not all AMT'S are unionized. Enjoy the day to all my fellow AMT'S in the industry.
I know Gary and he is a smart individual. No disrespect to him whatsoever. I'm sure he was told in some way to sugar it up.
May 24, 2021
To the TWU Local 591 Membership:
On behalf of the Local 591 Executive Board, I would like to wish a Happy AMT Day to the AMTs in our Local. May 24th is a day set aside to celebrate the proud profession of the Aircraft Maintenance Technician. Thankfully, this AMT Day, when compared to last year, the airline industry has a much better outlook. It was a year ago that American Airlines had 429 airplanes parked on the ground and a future that looked bleak.
It is our belief at TWU Local 591 that the greatest compliment to AMT Day is fighting for more AMT jobs in this country, employed by the airlines. As a result of the hard-earned gains in the JCBA, we are once again growing our Membership with several AMTs who are celebrating their very first AMT Day. While another Union has the philosophy to gain higher wages by subsidizing those wages with fewer jobs, Local 591 and our Membership was steadfast in our demand to have both the highest wages in the industry and the most jobs. In fact, no Union has done a better job at defending our jobs as Local 591 has, and that is because our Membership has demonstrated a willingness to fight and walk the informational picket lines at many airports, Time Square NYC, and at Wrigley Field Chicago.
Those efforts resulted in many scope advantages for our Members that are evident in every rebid across the country, especially when you compare them to an airline like Southwest Airlines. The company, in negotiations, often offered us the Southwest mechanic contract, and when you look at the Department of Transportation (DOT) flight numbers and number of mechanics to work those flights; you’ll really see why the company wanted us to accept the Southwest mechanic contract.
Using 2019 DOT flight operations numbers, to be fair with the pandemic reductions, and at some of our stations as examples, think of what we as a Local fought for compared to what the Southwest Airlines Union didn’t fight for.
Scope matters and think about those numbers when it comes to rebids. LAX is a great example of a side-by-side equivalent number of flights operations. 620 total mechanics to 50 mechanics with the same number of flights says it all when you envision what a bid would look like. The reality is that available opportunities on rebids are based on the verbiage negotiated in the contract.
With our philosophy in negotiations, we have more AMTs, in this country, employed at our airline, earning the best wages, to enjoy AMT Day, than any other airline. Afterall, defending the profession means defending the jobs, forcing the wages higher, and keeping them in this country, employed by airlines, and not low-paying vendors. As a Local we will continue to push American to hire more AMTs through enforcement of our contract, and legislation in Congress. We want every bit of work we can secure, like the recent negotiated addition of IFE work, as more work means more jobs, which mean better rebids, which get us the better shifts and days off that we all want and deserve. We should all be proud of the efforts we have collectively done to grow the ranks of AMTs. This year we can celebrate AMT Day at American and be proud knowing that our efforts have resulted in the most AMTs of any airline employed to celebrate the day with.
Finally, and as a reminder, two years ago, and on the feedback of many members, as an Executive Board, we decided not to compete with American on food serving on AMT Day. We will, however, continue with the tradition of serving food on Labor Day. I also want to assure you that our Brothers and Sisters in GSE, Facilities Maintenance, and Stores are not forgotten. Your dedication, skill, and support are a crucial part of what makes us all the success that we are collectively. While AMT Day is dedicated to AMTs, I want to sincerely wish you a Happy AMT Day, and say thank you.
In solidarity,
Gary Schaible
President
TWU Local 591
AMT day should never be about union politics. Not all AMT'S are unionized. Enjoy the day to all my fellow AMT'S in the industry.
I know Gary and he is a smart individual. No disrespect to him whatsoever. I'm sure he was told in some way to sugar it up.
May 24, 2021
To the TWU Local 591 Membership:
On behalf of the Local 591 Executive Board, I would like to wish a Happy AMT Day to the AMTs in our Local. May 24th is a day set aside to celebrate the proud profession of the Aircraft Maintenance Technician. Thankfully, this AMT Day, when compared to last year, the airline industry has a much better outlook. It was a year ago that American Airlines had 429 airplanes parked on the ground and a future that looked bleak.
It is our belief at TWU Local 591 that the greatest compliment to AMT Day is fighting for more AMT jobs in this country, employed by the airlines. As a result of the hard-earned gains in the JCBA, we are once again growing our Membership with several AMTs who are celebrating their very first AMT Day. While another Union has the philosophy to gain higher wages by subsidizing those wages with fewer jobs, Local 591 and our Membership was steadfast in our demand to have both the highest wages in the industry and the most jobs. In fact, no Union has done a better job at defending our jobs as Local 591 has, and that is because our Membership has demonstrated a willingness to fight and walk the informational picket lines at many airports, Time Square NYC, and at Wrigley Field Chicago.
Those efforts resulted in many scope advantages for our Members that are evident in every rebid across the country, especially when you compare them to an airline like Southwest Airlines. The company, in negotiations, often offered us the Southwest mechanic contract, and when you look at the Department of Transportation (DOT) flight numbers and number of mechanics to work those flights; you’ll really see why the company wanted us to accept the Southwest mechanic contract.
Using 2019 DOT flight operations numbers, to be fair with the pandemic reductions, and at some of our stations as examples, think of what we as a Local fought for compared to what the Southwest Airlines Union didn’t fight for.
- Las Vegas, for example, where American had just over 14,000 flights a year, and Southwest had nearly 71,000 flights a year, yet American has 111 total (AMT, GSE, Facilities) mechanics to Southwest 82. A fivefold increase in Southwest flights but 29 fewer mechanics.
- In LAX both American and Southwest had just over 41,000 flights a year, yet American has 620 total mechanics to Southwest 50.
- Up the road in SFO, an even more stunning result of scope. While American had 13,600 flights, Southwest had 14,600 flights. American has 160 total mechanics, and Southwest has ZERO. Some might say that Southwest has a much bigger operation across the bay in Oakland. That would be correct, as Southwest had more than 41,000 flights, yet they employ only 41 total mechanics. So, more than 55,000 flights in the Bay area and 41 mechanics. By comparison American has 50,000 flights in Miami and we have 931 total mechanics.
- Staying in California and moving down the coast in San Diego, American had 8,600 flights to Southwest’s nearly 41,000. Yet again, American has 30 total mechanics to Southwest’s 17.
Scope matters and think about those numbers when it comes to rebids. LAX is a great example of a side-by-side equivalent number of flights operations. 620 total mechanics to 50 mechanics with the same number of flights says it all when you envision what a bid would look like. The reality is that available opportunities on rebids are based on the verbiage negotiated in the contract.
With our philosophy in negotiations, we have more AMTs, in this country, employed at our airline, earning the best wages, to enjoy AMT Day, than any other airline. Afterall, defending the profession means defending the jobs, forcing the wages higher, and keeping them in this country, employed by airlines, and not low-paying vendors. As a Local we will continue to push American to hire more AMTs through enforcement of our contract, and legislation in Congress. We want every bit of work we can secure, like the recent negotiated addition of IFE work, as more work means more jobs, which mean better rebids, which get us the better shifts and days off that we all want and deserve. We should all be proud of the efforts we have collectively done to grow the ranks of AMTs. This year we can celebrate AMT Day at American and be proud knowing that our efforts have resulted in the most AMTs of any airline employed to celebrate the day with.
Finally, and as a reminder, two years ago, and on the feedback of many members, as an Executive Board, we decided not to compete with American on food serving on AMT Day. We will, however, continue with the tradition of serving food on Labor Day. I also want to assure you that our Brothers and Sisters in GSE, Facilities Maintenance, and Stores are not forgotten. Your dedication, skill, and support are a crucial part of what makes us all the success that we are collectively. While AMT Day is dedicated to AMTs, I want to sincerely wish you a Happy AMT Day, and say thank you.
In solidarity,
Gary Schaible
President
TWU Local 591
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1AA; You are 100% correct AMT Day is about our class and craft not any Union or Affiliation.
About Gary and his letter he may be smart when it comes to the Politics of the TWU, but he is a traitor to our craft, he lines his pockets with his TWU position, when he ran and always said he was about the M&R members. Being told to put out a letter and sugar coat it as you say just makes him a Hypocrite/lackey. His Final paragraph which includes Stores is an insult to the M&R in MY Opinion. Not partaking in the food or whatever was being done to celebrate our Craft, was a MISTAKE. Many throughout the system did not listen to the rants of the TWU. AMT Day came about by the dedication and hard work of one of our own here at AA in SD, Calf. Ken M.
There are Many members of the TWU/IAM Association who in the past supported the transition to AMFA and NOW bad mouth it. Gary was one of them.
Many over the yrs were card signers as well.
So Now we just wait for the NMB to tell AA, TWU/IAM, AMFA that the members of the M&R workgroup will have a SAY as to the Future representation.
To ALL the AMT's and M&R employees HAPPY AMT DAY...
There are two Gary's. Gary Peterson and Gary Schiable.
I hope you didn't mix one up with the other. Gary Schiable is no Gary Peterson and vice versa.
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AMT Day, here in Tulsa we received our gift, a Snap-On socket set. It comes with a magnetic case.
The funny part of this story is that you have to have your A&P License. If not you still received a European Man Bag.
On another note, I did not hear from the TWU, except Gary Schaible's letter from TWU 591.
The funny part of this story is that you have to have your A&P License. If not you still received a European Man Bag.
On another note, I did not hear from the TWU, except Gary Schaible's letter from TWU 591.
So the TWU believes in representing all members and inflating the eligibility list with non eligible, non A&P employees to kill the election but yet only A&P holding members get the socket set and the rest get a bag. So AMT'S that hold just one license or no license get a bag. The division among the members is a typical divide and conquer. I hope title 2 guys are paying attention to this disrespectful act by the TWU. I wonder if the IAM side is doing the same thing? So is this what you're saying? I'm not surprised but a very sad way to treat our own union members.
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