Here's an interesting question from one of our possible soon to be retiriee. Rumor mill has the company looking at a buy-out to rid of the 4th line, as well as an early out program for the higher scenoirity guys to leave. Now for the question. If one was to take the early retirement package, would this individual also recieve the 4th line buy-out package if it were voted out? Or would it be take your pick, if you choose to retire early you get that package. If you choose to stay and not retire early you would get the 4th line buy-out package. Could it be possible to get both packages? If so you might see alot of retirees getting out. These questions are only if all were presented and it was all voted in. Thx in advance for your input...
I am confused.
Yesterday you were ranting that we should never take money for the forth line, you called it bribery, and now you want to discuss how to spend that same money?
There is not even an offer on the table yet.
blue collar
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I would hope it would take more than that for people to get rid of it. But, that is probably how they will sell it, the guys leaving vs. the guys staying. If we end up getting rid of the 4th line, it's something we probably won't see ever again. Think before you vote when the time comes.
Read again. This question is coming from someone that may retire if there is a packaged offered, not me. And yes, I will be a no vote to get rid of any maint. no matter the offer. Trust me the company will not offer enough to get the 4th line out of here.
Yea, I got that.
But instead of bringing it here for discussion you could have told him " There is no offer on the table to discuss. We will not sell the forth line. Enjoy your retirement. ".
Talking about taking money we are not going to take fosters the idea that we will sell the 4th line.
See my point?
AvTech04
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Man, this is all sounding very familiar. Delta has been making similar deals with their employees, early out retirements for relief on certian language. They've offered this early out package to all high time employees as a way to get the higher costing employee out and hire cheaper employees all at the same time! I agree with you guys, don't let the company buy you out of anything. That 4th line will force a commitment by the company.
Just a thought, what happens when the 88 717's go away?? Won't that bring the total A/C under the 621 threshold? Maybe the companies just buying time with negotiations, stalling so to speak, in order to unload the 717's and avoid the 4th line language altogether. Look at the NMB time line if we were to go to arbitration over the 4th line, after months of possible failed negotiations. It could total out to years and the 717's are going to start going away next year. This might all be a company tactic... Again, just a conspiracy theory I thought up.
Just a thought, what happens when the 88 717's go away?? Won't that bring the total A/C under the 621 threshold? Maybe the companies just buying time with negotiations, stalling so to speak, in order to unload the 717's and avoid the 4th line language altogether. Look at the NMB time line if we were to go to arbitration over the 4th line, after months of possible failed negotiations. It could total out to years and the 717's are going to start going away next year. This might all be a company tactic... Again, just a conspiracy theory I thought up.
not my 1st rodeo
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We need to be careful what is negotiated away. One thing I've learned after many years in the industry, once something is given away, you never get it back. Think about it and try to give me an example of something re-gained. Look at Eastern, Pan Am, nwa, AA, Piedmont, U.S. Air etc...etc..
The problem is, we have never really had a 4th line. Only the promise to start it.
It may be easier for some people to give up something you have never had to start with.
not my 1st rodeo
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Understood, point taken.
LOL. Yes I do.
Even if they grandfathered in everyone here now and just created a B scale for new hires, it would not pass.
If true, I don't see that ever making it into a TA.
superman32870
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Sure do hear a lot of company wants this company wants that. Sure hope they plan on giving us dispatcher money for all these wants. If not, they can stick thier wants were the sun dont shine.
AvTech04
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That's a very good point, what are we asking for? Or has AMFA even made any sort of counter offer as of yet? I would assume they haven't countered yet because it's just to soon...
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