AMFA Mechanics contract.08/ 2012

[blue collar]

Can anyone post the timeline of past CBA negotiations on here?? Historically with SWA of course. This will obviously be 350+ mechanics first CBA negotiations with SWA and AMFA and we presume that the NMB will rule on the integration prior to a tentative agreement much less a ratified agreement between AMFA and SWA. It might be a good idea to get 350+ swing voters in the loop of what we might expect and how it's gone in the past so no votes are made in the dark.

I wouldn't call you guys swing votes.. I don't think you'll make or break the contract

 

[WNMECH]

Can anyone post the timeline of past CBA negotiations on here?? Historically with SWA of course.

I don't recall the exact timelines of past negotiations, but I will say that the company never has been in any hurry to get to an agreement.
I predict we won't see a TA for at least 2 years from now.
Anyone else have a guess?

 

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The way we vote or I should say don't vote on the Swa side . I am sure tge extra 350 will come in handy . Lolol just like we voted away our double time paid rest amongst other things.

 

[swamt]

I don't recall the exact timelines of past negotiations, but I will say that the company never has been in any hurry to get to an agreement.
I predict we won't see a TA for at least 2 years from now.
Anyone else have a guess?

I would have to agree. One of the observers told me that they (the company) made the comment that they would like to get this done quickly. So quickly they would like to see a ratified vote by no later than March of next year.
Now, if they are in such a hurry to get it done quickly, why isn't there more scheduled dates to meet. I think he said they will meet again sometime in September, but for only one day. What gives??

 

[superman32870]

Ah, the wonderful this is were the industry is at chart by the company. Bet the didnt have UPS on there. Well we damn well better be shooting for UPS and better! 9 years of piss ant raises is enough. Show us dispatcher money or better!

 

[swamt]

Speaking of UPS wages, does any one have the top pay for them. I have heard of 2. 50.75 & 51.30. If this is the case we should be over them. Since the company allowed the comparo to UPS with the dispatchers, with a mediator, then we will do the same. Also, UPS mechs do less maint than us and they are flying packages as we are flying humans. We have alot more lives in our hands campared to them, and we need to be compensated as such. Today I will try to find the top out for UPS...

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

The way AirTran does banked holidays is by taking, for example, 10 hrs out of your double time and 1/2. So you'll get paid like you're working OT for the holiday and bank the other 10 hours for a day off. Yes, management maintains that for us right now, and they've done an okay job, but I'd prefer the union to at least track and verify my days and times. And. I'm not sure how your current contact reads but do you guys have to actually work on the holiday to get the pay?? The AirTran contact allows for it to count on your next working day if not working the actual holiday, for example, if July 4th falls on my regular day off, then the next day I work would count the same as if I worked on July 4th, but if I took vacation for that day or opted the holiday off then this wouldn't apply and I would never get the holiday pay nor could I bank it.

banking of Holidays is something we had in the industry many yrs ago at eastern as well. many of us when we are starting out have wife kids and its tough working holidays. So it usually goes on actual holidays worked to determine who gets next off.
But the banking worked like this you can work the holiday and have a choice to take the holidays pay rate or bank it. by banking it you take 8 hrs of 1.5 and the rest 8hrs you get another day added to the next yrs vacation day total. so if you have/work 10 holidays you could end up with an extra two weeks vacation. It is a win/win for the employees as well as company. since the money is kept in an account and when you take your extra day and all that did get paid. the remaining money (interest) the company gets to keep. So you wont have guys forced to work the holiday. you have opion of the pay and you get extra day vacation if you want it. Company usually maintains count but keeps a posting for all to monitor. Best for all. just some input.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

How about union seniority with regards to pay rate, with consolidation of airlines, some of us over the yrs have had to change carriers due to no fault of our own the companies just went out of business. Having to start over at the bottom of the pay scale each time is not right. having the union seniority would mean that if you belong to AMFA and went to another carrier AMFA represented what ever pay rate you were at, you take all your experience and rate of pay. Thus the company gets a mechanic with ability to hit the floor at any station and the families dont have to wait 5 yrs to get back where they were before they got laidoff or left old carrier.

This would have nothing todo with bidding of shift/daysoff, still start at bottom of the list like a new hire. Its just a money thing.
Just as the trades have, if your a lic. electrian in Calf and go to NY if you have many yrs in industry you stay a journyman don't start as a helper all over again. something I think all airlines should have but it would be a feather in AMFA's cap to be the first to promote this as a union for the aircraft mechanics

 

[WNMECH]

How about union seniority with regards to pay rate, with consolidation of airlines, some of us over the yrs have had to change carriers due to no fault of our own the companies just went out of business. Having to start over at the bottom of the pay scale each time is not right. having the union seniority would mean that if you belong to AMFA and went to another carrier AMFA represented what ever pay rate you were at, you take all your experience and rate of pay. Thus the company gets a mechanic with ability to hit the floor at any station and the families dont have to wait 5 yrs to get back where they were before they got laidoff or left old carrier.

This would have nothing todo with bidding of shift/daysoff, still start at bottom of the list like a new hire. Its just a money thing.
Just as the trades have, if your a lic. electrian in Calf and go to NY if you have many yrs in industry you stay a journyman don't start as a helper all over again. something I think all airlines should have but it would be a feather in AMFA's cap to be the first to promote this as a union for the aircraft mechanics

All that would do is make out of work AMFA members less desirable to employers.

Employers would look to hire other workers at a lower rate and pass on the AMFA guys.

Bad idea for unemployed AMFA members. There are always unintended consequences.

 

[lineguy]

Speaking of UPS wages, does any one have the top pay for them. I have heard of 2. 50.75 & 51.30. If this is the case we should be over them. Since the company allowed the comparo to UPS with the dispatchers, with a mediator, then we will do the same. Also, UPS mechs do less maint than us and they are flying packages as we are flying humans. We have alot more lives in our hands campared to them, and we need to be compensated as such. Today I will try to find the top out for UPS...

According to this article it is $50.31. http://www.ajc.com/b...ove-901029.html

 

[swamt]

According to this article it is $50.31. http://www.ajc.com/b...ove-901029.html

Thx. I can see why we have heard the two numbers. More than likely just accidently misplacing the 1 and 0.
They are fixin to go into sec 6 again in Nov. of 13. Wonder if this has something to do with a quick contract.
UPS also got retro all the way back to 2006. We should never forgo retro, never. It only helps the company drag things out for legnthy periods to get the membership to vote in a pay raise quickly.

 

[Swadl]

Don't be in a hurry to get another contract signed!! Let's hold out for what we want. I have no problem working under the current contract for the next few years. The dispatchers held out for 4 years and look how it ended for them. The cleaners held out for about 3 years with threats from the company to lay them all off and look at there new contract they got what they wanted!! The company wants more outsourcing of our work. I say hold out a few+ years and when the economy is better we sing on a new contract then and we will get an even better contract.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Is this the first or second time the contract has become ammendable under the representation of AMFA?

 

[WNMECH]

Is this the first or second time the contract has become ammendable under the representation of AMFA?

AMFA was voted in before our contract became amendable in 2005.
We voted in a company offered extension from 2005-2008 that gave us time to build up our locals and funds.
We then voted in a contract with many language changes and industry leading pay for passenger airlines but also allowed some limited foreign outsourcing from 2008-2012.
So now we are starting to work on what will be our third agreement under AMFA.
Although we didn't really negotiate the company offered extension in 2005.

So this is the third time that our contract has become amendable under AMFA.

 

[AvTech04]

It makes sense that the company would want this done ASAP, they wouldn't want AMFA to use to many record breaking profit quarters against them. Especially If they reach that 1.5 billion + goal that they've set, then that airline comparator chart method would be thrown right out the window!!

As far as the UPS payscale, their IBT contract says their top out is 50.31 without including the longevity and bonuses... I have their contract somewhere on my home computer, when I find it, I'll post it up here.