Amfa Doubletalk!

[AAmech]

Anyone who actually took the time to read the NMB's well thought out decision would immiediatly be struck by amfa's hypocrisy!!
Right now as we type amfa is pissing all over themselfs because UAL will not place the Fuelers in their Class and Craft (lost dues revenue, I guess). They're waging a big stinking battle over this even though they claim to be a "Mechanics Union". Meanwhile here at AA, they are trying to kick all 500 of them off the voting list claiming they don't belong in our Class! What Nerve! Typical Del Doubletalk!!!

 

[Hopeful]

Let me ask you something, AAMECH!

I can understand that you and the rest of the TWU supporters are basking in this decision. But how do feel having cabin service people being considered MECHANICS?

 

[AAmech]

Cleaners and Fuelers are part of class no matter what we think of them. The class is called Maintenance and RELATED. This is where amfa screwed up.

 

[Thrustfuljet]

The class is called Maintenance and RELATED.

Try Mechanic and Related!!! Get edjucated, if you want to make a point try to be more accurate in the future.

 

[Rusty]

Anyone who actually took the time to read the NMB's well thought out decision would immiediatly be struck by amfa's hypocrisy!!
Right now as we type amfa is pissing all over themselfs because UAL will not place the Fuelers in their Class and Craft (lost dues revenue, I guess). They're waging a big stinking battle over this even though they claim to be a "Mechanics Union". Meanwhile here at AA, they are trying to kick all 500 of them off the voting list claiming they don't belong in our Class! What Nerve! Typical Del Doubletalk!!!

AAmech, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Fueling is part of our Mechanic and Related work. Ground servicemen (fuelers), the ones we are disputing are the ones at stations where we do not do the fueling. Perhaps if you do not know what you are speaking of then you should not accuse!!! Just my opinion. LMAO

You see AAmech your AA/twu bed parteners have included these people among many other groups into our Craft and Class in an attempt to stop the election. AAmech are you one of those who believe this kind of behavior is ethical???

 

[Bob Owens]

Anyone who actually took the time to read the NMB's well thought out decision would immiediatly be struck by amfa's hypocrisy!!
Right now as we type amfa is pissing all over themselfs because UAL will not place the Fuelers in their Class and Craft (lost dues revenue, I guess). They're waging a big stinking battle over this even though they claim to be a "Mechanics Union". Meanwhile here at AA, they are trying to kick all 500 of them off the voting list claiming they don't belong in our Class! What Nerve! Typical Del Doubletalk!!!

Look at the hypocrisy of the TWU who complain about the 35% threshold to get a union into a company where there is no union but then rejoice in useing the same tactics to prevent their members from exercising their right to choose unions.


When the TWU tried, and failed to organize Delta the TWU cried foul. They cried about unfair labor practices used to prevent card signers then the same during the election. They complained that the workers of Delta were denied a fair and democratic election. None of this however prevented the TWU from attempting to deny workers at AA the same opportunity for a fair and Democratic election.

Who are the hypocrits?

 

[Raptor]

Look at the hypocrisy of the TWU who complain about the 35% threshold to get a union into a company where there is no union but then rejoice in useing the same tactics to prevent their members from exercising their right to choose unions.


When the TWU tried, and failed to organize Delta the TWU cried foul. They cried about unfair labor practices used to prevent card signers then the same during the election. They complained that the workers of Delta were denied a fair and democratic election. None of this however prevented the TWU from attempting to deny workers at AA the same opportunity for a fair and Democratic election.

Who are the hypocrits?

The NMB does not like any Unions they like company's and they have allways had the last word on who is part of the Craft and Class and who is not, they will allways have the last word the TWU or AMFA can appeal their decisions till hell freezes over to no avail, we might as well get use to the fact that the ball is in their court and all we can do it play it their way.

I will bet good money that an NMB decision will never be overturned No matter what Union is appealing.

Any takers

 

[Decision 2004]

June 17, 2004



To AMFA Associate Members and supporters:

NMB AS ITS USUAL CONSISTENT COURSE DENIES AMFA AN ELECTION AT AA DUE TO INSUFFICIENT CARDS. – They did the same thing to us on NWA and UAL before we finally won those airlines. AMFA will appeal the NMB’s findings concerning the AA employee’s numbers.

We received the NMB’s ten-page report that constitutes the NMB’s ruling upon all objections and challenges to the lists of potential eligible voters.

We of course are dissatisfied with their rulings, and we are now going over their figures with legal counsel. We should have a full report in about a week where they found the numbers that disallowed AMFA an election. Our legal counsel and Terry Harvey, our Assistant National Director, will file an appeal by the June 30th deadline. This is in accordance with Section 10.0 of the NMB’s Representation Manual. Responses by AA and the TWU must be filed with the Board by Thursday, July 8, 2004, at 4PM, ET. We will publish our appeal to the NMB by the applicable date. A copy of our appeal will be sent to the AA stations.

As many of you will recall the NMB did the same thing to AMFA on NWA and UAL and we had to go back and resign cards again for an election before we were successful. We were not discouraged and came back to defeat the incumbent unions. We will do the same if our appeal is denied. After a negative appeal we will start collecting cards again for an election in the summer of 2005.

Please be advised that AMFA is not giving up and we do not want you to give up on us. Because of your support we plan to keep DFW and Tulsa offices open to start collecting cards if we receive a negative decision regarding our appeal. In order to keep the locals viable we request that more Associate Members sign up. As it has been proven, perseverance is the key to our success. The right to have an election is lost for the time being, but we will be back. We have waited for 42 years for an election on AA and another year wont hurt our quest to have one.

Sincerely,

O. V. Delle-Femine
National Director

Terry Harvey
NEC


file

 

[Raptor]

Dell says AMFA has waited 42 years to get in at AA another year won't matter, I agree for that matter another 5 years won't matter either so why not have a drive after our next contract in 2009, what's the hurry I have 14 years before I can retire, I think I will take a 5 year break from the drive and hit it double hard in 2009 if we get another bad contract but if we get a good one like the one in 2001 then I probably will wait some more, I am one of those emotional contract voters as long as I am getting good contracts meaning the Union is doing what I am paying them to do then I have no interest in changing Unions but give me a bad contract and watch out, it's new Union time

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

"If we get another bad contract?" Raptor,with the EVIL TWU, a bad contract is always GUARANTEED!

 

[Raptor]

Actually Princess I was quite happy with the 2001 contract it was an Industry leading contract at the time surpassing even Northwest's contract.
There have been other TWU contracts that I was ok with as well not all but some, I do not need to be the highest paid and benefitted Mechanic in the Industry just something I can live with.
I guess we all have a different view as to what is a good contract and what is good pay.

 

[Buck]

Raptor you forget the multi-pay scales and the OSM classification.

The 2001 contract may have been industry leading but in the wrong direction.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Actually Princess I was quite happy with the 2001 contract it was an Industry leading contract at the time surpassing even Northwest's contract.
There have been other TWU contracts that I was ok with as well not all but some, I do not need to be the highest paid and benefitted Mechanic in the Industry just something I can live with.
I guess we all have a different view as to what is a good contract and what is good pay.

Raptor, your comment about not being the highest paid and benefitted mechanic in the industry is EXACTLY what little and the international want from a docile work force. However, what your able to live with is not what others can live with.

Unlike you I do not and will not wait for the twu to negotiate another poor contract for me at AA. There will be an election at AA between AMFA & the twu. (I'll take your bet.) If for some reason the NMB denys a fair election then we will wait the required year before filing more cards.

If you were indeed happy with other twu contracts then I fear your eyes may be clouded. Your support of AMFA during this current drive was what was needed to remove the inept twu. With your ease of just accepting a possible NMB denial does not speak well of your resolve of, " but give me a bad contract and watch out, it's new Union time." Exactly how bad of a contract will it take for you to fight till the end?

I have met you and seen your desire to fight for what is right. But if you claim, " I agree for that matter another 5 years won't matter either so why not have a drive after our next contract in 2009", then our profession will be destined for doom. With more contract under the twu there will not be any AMTs left in the industry.

The twu needs to be removed NOW not later. FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT!

 

[Strake]

Check this link out, its kind of thought provoking. How many mechanics jobs were lost forever at NW and United? Who is the association representing those mechanics? This is what happens with poor management and lousy representation.
At least here at AA we have the strong leadership of the TWU and the backing of the AFL/CIO helping to save our jobs.


usaviation.com



AMFA=THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE

 

[Decision 2004]

[quote name='Strake' date='Jun 20 2004, 02:16 AM']Check this link out, its kind of thought provoking. How many mechanics jobs were lost forever at NW and United? Who is the association representing those mechanics? This is what happens with poor management and lousy representation.
At least here at AA we have the strong leadership of the TWU and the backing of the AFL/CIO helping to save our jobs.


usaviation.com



AMFA=THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE[/quote]
The way I read that link you posted,

The guy was laif-off from TWA, not Northwest.

Was that the TWU superior representation that put the man out of job?

[quote name='Strake's Link' date='Jun 20 2004, 02:16 AM']After almost a year and half after I was laid off from TWA as an aircraft mechanic, I finally found a new line of work away from the airline and aviation industry. It was a matter of advertising the skills as a mechanic that are transferable to other industries. I will never see the airlines again, and the last thing I want to see is an airport or an airplane.
Good luck to those who are still looking, its a matter of advertising the skills that you have that can be applied to other companies. Its frustrating out there, I know. Been there, done that.
How about an internet support group for the laid off airline folks?[/quote]

Maybe that is why you foam at the mouth with anger against AMFA, you rarely read, and when you do, you do not comprehend what you do read very well.

For you information the laid-off mechanic from your link was working for TWA, which means either the IAM Concessions or the TWU Concessions screwed him out of a job, not AMFA. Both of which are backed by the gAyFL-CIO.

I am rolling on the floor laughing that you blame AMFA for something so clear. The poster mentions TWA on more than one occasion in the thread you linked and you seem to think he said Northwest and AMFA. LOLOLOLOLOL