eolesen
Veteran
- Jul 23, 2003
- 15,959
- 9,374
Oh, I don't know. Keeping threads and forums on-topic would be a good start...
Maybe you like those 95% noise to relevancy ratios. I prefer commercial-free.
American looking to "right-size" the company and staffing levels for the Fall and 2021
- Thread starter jimntx
- Start date
Oh, I don't know. Keeping threads and forums on-topic would be a good start...
Maybe you like those 95% noise to relevancy ratios. I prefer commercial-free.
Same industry, same subject.
You will continue hearing about unions info as unions are very much connected to the nego's about the possible upcoming layoffs/furloughs/rifs at ALL airlines.
La Li Lu Le Lo
Veteran
- May 29, 2010
- 7,414
- 2,649
Then get a subscription. This is not SXM, it's public access.
I don't like the "noise" either but it is a fact on these forums. Complaining about it is a pointless venture.
Again, just because other airlines are mentioned as well as the other unions that represent the employees that are facing the downsizing, does not mean it is off topic. Sharing the same topic of downsizing at other airlines and how they are occurring and how the unions that represent affected employees were challenging these "downsizing" is on topic. And it would be advantages to the AA employees (mechanic and related) to see just how other AMFA represented mechanic and related airlines are being represented during these same "downsizing" times so that they can compare and use said info to make an educated decision of who to vote for when the time comes.
If YOU don't like the noise as suggested by LuLu, then simply move onto a different topic, it really is that simple...
- Nov 4, 2010
- 260
- 10
- Moderator
- #1,476
Sometimes we do, but we’re not proactively looking for problems.
If there is an issue, use the Report function and let us know.
In the meantime, there is an active thread regarding the AMFA election at American. Please use it.
Although I clicked agree, you would think there would be either a concessions ask or another round of layoffs to be considered again prior to a 2003 repeat of BK, wouldn't ya think? Or do you think AA will fasttrack it into BK this time. In 03 I believe they were asking for cuts as well as rif's before BK, am I wrong on that?? Forget the asks prior to the BK filing, I mean it's only been almost 20 years.
CremaDiLimone
Veteran
- Jun 8, 2016
- 1,817
- 154
aa didn't file for BK in 2003.
aa filed in 2011.
aa did get their concessions in 2003. all of the unions agreed to let everyone vote by phone.
aa had warned if one group (pilots/FAs/AMTs/Fleet) voted down the concessions, the company would file within days.
you're confusing the 2 airlines that merged. i believe us air filed twice for BK in the early 2000s.
aa filed in 2011.
aa did get their concessions in 2003. all of the unions agreed to let everyone vote by phone.
aa had warned if one group (pilots/FAs/AMTs/Fleet) voted down the concessions, the company would file within days.
you're confusing the 2 airlines that merged. i believe us air filed twice for BK in the early 2000s.
robbedagain
Veteran
- Oct 13, 2003
- 11,125
- 2,676
2002. 2004. Ch11
What happened. They didn't get it right the first time?
And now that mgmt team is running AA. Fasten your seat belt folks!!
yup.What happened. They didn't get it right the first time?
And now that mgmt team is running AA. Fasten your seat belt folks!!
I very well may have.
I think I remember the Pilots voted down the concessions and the company and them went back to the table renegotiated and they came out with a better than before deal that they did vote for. All this after AA said they would file if any group said no to concessions. And then yes, even after getting the concessions (17% range for mechanics) then they did file in 2011. So they got their concessions and they still filed BK and didn't they get more after the BK filing?
What happened. They didn't get it right the first time?
And now that mgmt team is running AA. Fasten your seat belt folks!!
I am thinking things are gonna get worse again prior to getting better especially if no PSP gets done.
Looking at a very rough start to 2021 in the airline industry.
CremaDiLimone
Veteran
- Jun 8, 2016
- 1,817
- 154
it was the flight attendants who 'voted' twice. there was no renegotiation for them..the claim was there was a 'glitch' with their original voting.
yes, the company got their concessions but today's aa is paying for the decision not to file. i'm talking about pensions. everyone got an additional 8-9 years of vesting before the pensions were frozen in BK. i believe laa was the only legacy airline not to terminate it's pensions.
i work with clerks whose pensions really weren't touched who will get $2,400 a month for life or $3,200 a month for 10 years/$1,900 a month after that. one guy, i believe, is at $3,000+ a month for life if he retired today - he won't leave anyways.
i lost about $1,000+ a month for life when they froze the pensions. i'm in line to get $1,400+ a month when i retire.
we had given so much back in 2003 that my group didn't lose that much in BK - relatively speaking. a certain percentage had to be given back and we lost 1 week VC and medical increased. we also lost the medical pre-funding..the company wouldn't pay your medical insurance if you retired before you were eligible for medicare.
doesn't compare to holiday pay and number of holidays lost, base pay lost, shift diff...subsequent 401k money lost due to all the above...VC weeks lost...on and on it goes...from 2003-2016/2020.
Similar threads
- Locked
