American Airlines creditors want to talk merger

[chucky]

It was widely reported in the press. And I have no doubt Delta is, indeed, "exploring all options," as they have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to do so. Nonetheless, as I said, I see it as having an extremely low chance of ever going anywhere because I think it would harm more than help the interests of the AMR stakeholders and creditors who will ultimately have to make the decision.

The only things I've seen comming from the press is pure speculation. Other than Doug Parker admitting to be interested in a merger with AA, I haven't heard anything official comming from Atlanta.
Trust me when I tell you we DO NOT want another merger, either with AA or US. I have yet to come across an employee at work or on this forum that does.

 

[commavia]

The only things I've seen comming from the press is pure speculation. Other than Doug Parker admitting to be interested in a merger with AA, I haven't heard anything official comming from Atlanta.

Absolutely - it is purely speculative.

But again, I have to think that Delta would be at least looking at AMR's bankruptcy. I continue to believe that Delta's management - which is extremely aggressive, but also extremely smart - knows they have little shot at actually participating in any hypothetical post-bankruptcy "merger" scenario, but they do have a fiduciary responsibility to at least look, and they quite possibly will throw a wrench into the gears of AMR's bankruptcy process simply to complicate things for AA and try and further weaken a competitor - particularly since Delta recognizes the threat a lower-cost AA is likely to be.

Trust me when I tell you we DO NOT want another merger, either with AA or US. I have yet to come across an employee at work or on this forum that does.

Completely fair and understandable.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Usually "un-named sources" only give out speculation, and usually to support their own agenda. Otherwise, they would go on the record and be named sources - see Parker admitting that US has hired advisers to study a potential linkup with AA. That was reported by "un-named sources" a week or so before he confirmed it at the start of the earnings conference call so US almost certainly leaked it to get the creditors thinking about the possibility of an AA/US merger long before Parker could actually make a move.

Jim

 

[Kev3188]

Trust me when I tell you we DO NOT want another merger, either with AA or US. I have yet to come across an employee at work or on this forum that does.

Me either.

 

[dude10101]

Trust me when I tell you we DO NOT want another merger, either with AA or US. I have yet to come across an employee at work or on this forum that does.

A independent AA now will only mean another trip to bk court in a few years. DL and UA are just too big and will eat AA's lunch every chance they get.

 

[BoeingBoy]

DL and UA are just too big and will eat AA's lunch every chance they get.

Some of us old-timers remember when UA, US, DL, NW, AA & CO said that about little ole WN. Nobody was supposed to be able to compete with the big 6...

Jim

 

[eolesen]

A independent AA now will only mean another trip to bk court in a few years. DL and UA are just too big and will eat AA's lunch every chance they get.

Perhaps, but being obese does take its toll, even on companies.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Size, in and of itself, does not necessarily mean obesity and cannot be used as a predictor of agility or athleticism. There are people who are just plain large and muscular and who most of us here would not want to engage in a wrestling match if for no other reason than that their size far outclasses our own, no matter how fit any of us might be.

It is precisely for that reason that some sports are based on weight classes; in others, you have to compete with all athletes regardless of your size disadvantage.
Knowing what you can win in as a product of your innate characteristics is a key component of positioning oneself to win for the long term.
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Athletes know that they will have to sit on the sidelines while recuperating from some conditions - and while they sit it out, their former and hopefully future competitors will carry on. It is not at all uncommon for an athlete to not be able to return to a level of health and strength to compete as they once did.
Athletes also know that, as good as they may be today, they cannot rest on their laurels and expect to remain champions forever, no matter how many times they have been the champion in the past.
The world marches on and there are precious few examples of individuals or organizations that can manage to stay at the top of their game for the long term. Gaining advantage while one has it and adapting and re-resourcing is essential for those who want to prolong to the greatest degree possible their position at the top of the game.
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It is also true that some people and thus the organizations they lead create change, embrace and learn from change which others force upon them, and win as a result of their ability to adapt while others - and in reality the vast majority of humanity - follow, waiting for someone else to show them where to go, and are dragged along by a rapidly changing world.
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The former group of people and company are leaders....and the rest of the world tries to keep up with the leaders.

 

[1AA]

The union issue that you speak of, only pertains to the pilot group. The f/a group is trying to close a deal, and all mtc, fleet, and cs groups are integrated. I don't believe that any of this has held back international growth, it has all to do with aircraft availability....

The pilot group? Well after AA's pilot group rejected the last offer AMR filed. Can you see USAir with THREE pilot groups and THREE work rules and THREE unions on the floor for the Pilots? What a mess that would be if it happened.

 

[etops1]

The pilot group? Well after AA's pilot group rejected the last offer AMR filed. Can you see USAir with THREE pilot groups and THREE work rules and THREE unions on the floor for the Pilots? What a mess that would be if it happened.

Actually it wouldn't be that much of a mess . All our east guys want is their rightly earned Date of Hire. It's the only fair way to go . I am sure if US and AA get together the AA pilots would want the same thing . The only ones who are arguing DOH are the west group . So if a merger does happen I think our east pilots getting together with the AA guys and agreeing on DOH would pretty much squash that whole mess . Well,hopefully that is lol ! And why would their be 3 unions?? It's only USAPA and APA..And I am sure our guys would go with APA if it meant keeping their DOH.

 

[Super FLUF]

All our east guys want is their rightly earned Date of Hire.

To anyone wondering why some USAirways employees have been trolling this message board, the sentence above sums it up perfectly. The USAirways easties view a merger with AA (or anyone) as some last hail Mary in saving them from a BINDING arbitration that they agreed to and then didn't fare so well in.

Sorry, but the Nicolau award stands as is. You agreed to binding arbitration and now that decision is sealed. The "rightly earned" DOH will never happen no matter who you merge with.

 

[bluebird]

"All our east guys want is their rightly earned Date of Hire…”

What about occupational seniority? You loose seniority after certain leaves. How would they piece it all together figuring out where everyone belongs on the seniority list? :huh:

 

[1AA]

What about occupational seniority? You loose seniority after certain leaves. How would they piece it all together figuring out where everyone belongs on the seniority list? :huh:

My point made. Even talking about it here on this board is a big mess.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Personally,I think it's a done deal.It's about mass now,and a stand alone AA simply doesn't have it.

As far as seniority and the like,that is a finger puzzle an arbitrator will have to attempt to unravel.

 

[wrencher]

My point made. Even talking about it here on this board is a big mess.

they would use DOH or date of hire that adjust when laid off. Can't wait.