American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Andre Sutton is also there

Thanks Racer. I didn’t mention Andre cause it kind of made it sound a little lopsided for whoever’s reading between the two groups and you know how paranoid people get on that sort of thing.

 

[WeAAsles]

Off topic but just found this interesting.

“The Transport Workers Union is ending its representation of casino table game dealers in Las Vegas, closing out its small Gaming Division that represents more than a thousand dealers at five Vegas hotels.

The union is partnering with the United Auto Workers union and urging affected members to vote to affiliate with the UAW, TWU President John Samuelson told Bloomberg Law.”

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily...ion-steps-away-from-vegas-casino-operations-1

http://local721.twu.org/

 

[WeAAsles]

These airlines view safety as expensive, rather than a necessity,” Samuelsen says. “They want to be able to pay people three or four bucks an hour.”

In November, American returned maintenance of most of its almost 400 Airbus A320 planes’ engines to its 5,200-employee Tulsa Maintenance Base in Oklahoma, where TWU Local 514 represents aviation maintenance technicians. Most of that work had been done in Brazil, Malaysia, and Kansas.

But after 34 months of negotiations and bringing in federal mediators, the airline says the two sides “remain far apart on several major issues.”

On outsourcing, “we won’t bend,” says Samuelsen. “We’re not going to let them jump on the bandwagon.”

http://laborpress.org/outsourcing-dispute-delays-american-airlines-contract/

 

[Tim Nelson]

That I know of there are at least 6 people who are currently in direct negotiations with the Company. Alex Garcia, Mike Mays, Gary Peterson, Sito Pantoja, Tom Regan and Tim Klima. From there the President’s and AGC’s are well informed as to any and all happenings in the room and many have put out the updates to inform their membership of that fact.

The Company (COMPANY) has not announced that they have made any last offers and if they do make a last offer I’m 100% positive that they will announce that fact on their Jetnet/Workbrain network.

When and or if the Company ever does make an actual last offer I will listen to the advice that my Representatives have on that offer. Whether that be to vote on that offer with or without an endorsement or that they will be asking the NMB to release us to engage in self help. (I already know your comments on self help so I don’t need to read them again)

Weez, you dont understand that there will not be a release...ever...but dont feel bad cuz mr baskett and sister peterson believe there will be a cooling off.
Myself and the other experts know there wont be one.
That said, i dont you think its fair to vote on the last offer?

 

[WeAAsles]

That said, i dont you think its fair to vote on the last offer?

When I know for a fact that there is a real last offer and all language has been put together and clarified then perhaps I will join your advocacy that we should take the next step and vote on it.

But you enjoy continuing to believe there has been one if it’s what keeps you feeling as if you’re relevant selling that notion.

 

[Bin Stretcher]

Weez, you dont understand that there will not be a release...ever...but dont feel bad cuz mr baskett and sister peterson believe there will be a cooling off.
Myself and the other experts know there wont be one.
That said, i dont you think its fair to vote on the last offer?

I apologize for jumping into a question not posed to me.
For me, it's the fear of the unknown. I cannot see how anyone could vote for, what I deem, an inferior supposed offer.
But I feel sorry about how bad the LAA guys have had it the past several years and they, with their majority numbers, vote this in when I think we can mediate a better offer.
I would be very interested an Association sanctioned POLL that was strictly controlled and for voting members ONLY (i.e. phone in with an individual u name/pin) after an union education period to see where we stand as a group.
Just sayin' !

 

[Tim Nelson]

When I know for a fact that there is a real last offer and all language has been put together and clarified then perhaps I will join your advocacy that we should take the next step and vote on it.

But you enjoy continuing to believe there has been one if it’s what keeps you feeling as if you’re relevant selling that notion.

weez, the company hiring practices at ord have been questionable by hiring workers who blow off days, come in late, and are almost never doing their job cuz they are on their cellphones. I end up doing their work.
And you wanna sacrifice the leading industry contract for them? Really?

 

[WeAAsles]

I apologize for jumping into a question not posed to me.
For me, it's the fear of the unknown. I cannot see how anyone could vote for, what I deem, an inferior supposed offer.
But I feel sorry about how bad the LAA guys have had it the past several years and they, with their majority numbers, vote this in when I think we can mediate a better offer.
I would be very interested an Association sanctioned POLL that was strictly controlled and for voting members ONLY (i.e. phone in with an individual u name/pin) after an union education period to see where we stand as a group.
Just sayin' !

Bin Stretcher I have zero problem with you jumping in any time you like. And you’re 100% right about the unknown. I absolutely don’t want any of our Negotiators to accept anything until nothing is ambiguous. The Company wants the flexibility of having ambiguous language where they can make changes over time as they see fit.

Now your comment though about how “bad” we’ve had it the last few years seriously made me laugh out loud. My Gross Pay on my W2 was $69,616.28. I signed up for zero OT, and worked zero swaps. I even took a CS off here and there (Not much) Basically I work 40 hours per week and minus a few Mando Holdovers and the PS Check I grossed $70k.

Now yea currently you’re making a couple of bucks more than me but I don’t think I’m exactly starving over here. And don’t let any TOS Clerk or Mechanic try to kid you otherwise.

Sure, we all want a Contract and to get off this Roller Coaster. But we’re not exactly puking all over ourselves on the ride.

 

[WeAAsles]

weez, the company hiring practices at ord have been questionable by hiring workers who blow off days, come in late, and are almost never doing their job cuz they are on their cellphones. I end up doing their work.
And you wanna sacrifice the leading industry contract for them? Really?

I’m not sacrificing anything at all since there hasn’t been anything in final language offered to sacrifice.

Now maybe I have this wrong but it almost sounds if you’re thinking this deal you’re imagining in your mind is going to make those of us on the clock currently work much harder for that extra cash?

LMFAO OH HELL NO am I interested if that’s the case. I’ve seen you LUS cats work and you all look like you can barely walk. Not to mention even though they’re very nice people on D40 they’re all absolutely filthy. Maybe they don’t have any time to go get themselves a clean vest with all those back to back flights they do (Your Lunch language sux BTW) BUT MY GOD do they seem unhappy.

Hope that ain’t your example of what you call industry leading? YUCK!!!!!!

 

[Bin Stretcher]

Weez..... thank you for that! I just want LAA members to know that we LUS folk recognize their is an inequity with your group holding the short end of the straw. I very much look forward to the day we're fl on equal footing.
Also, fyi......I appreciate your comments. They are fair minded and typically well thought out. I share your perspectives.

 

[ALUS78]

These airlines view safety as expensive, rather than a necessity,” Samuelsen says. “They want to be able to pay people three or four bucks an hour.”

In November, American returned maintenance of most of its almost 400 Airbus A320 planes’ engines to its 5,200-employee Tulsa Maintenance Base in Oklahoma, where TWU Local 514 represents aviation maintenance technicians. Most of that work had been done in Brazil, Malaysia, and Kansas.

But after 34 months of negotiations and bringing in federal mediators, the airline says the two sides “remain far apart on several major issues.”

On outsourcing, “we won’t bend,” says Samuelsen. “We’re not going to let them jump on the bandwagon.”

http://laborpress.org/outsourcing-dispute-delays-american-airlines-contract/

Sounds like a complete jackass

 

[ALUS78]

I apologize for jumping into a question not posed to me.
For me, it's the fear of the unknown. I cannot see how anyone could vote for, what I deem, an inferior supposed offer.
But I feel sorry about how bad the LAA guys have had it the past several years and they, with their majority numbers, vote this in when I think we can mediate a better offer.
I would be very interested an Association sanctioned POLL that was strictly controlled and for voting members ONLY (i.e. phone in with an individual u name/pin) after an union education period to see where we stand as a group.
Just sayin' !

Do you honestly ever think we would see such a poll?

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez..... thank you for that! I just want LAA members to know that we LUS folk recognize their is an inequity with your group holding the short end of the straw. I very much look forward to the day we're fl on equal footing.
Also, fyi......I appreciate your comments. They are fair minded and typically well thought out. I share your perspectives.

I think the Field walk that Tom Regan, Bill Wilson and Gil Simmons took with our Local 568 President and Vice President went a long way towards some of our Members understanding just that.

I’m hoping more of these types of TWU/IAM walks take place in locations such as DFW, CLT, ORD, PHL, LAX and PHX.

I can guarantee they would go a long way in bridging any divides between the groups.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sounds like a complete jackass

I agree. The sooner we get you rotating days off there in LGA, the better we will all be.

 

[bigjets]

fair enough Weez, but let us hope we dont have to post anymore about getting a fair contract.
Dont you agree that it would be fair to allow the members to vote on the last offer as opposed to 3 people deciding what is best?
If employees vote, then the union will finally have the consent of the members. There is an offer out there.
Members wanna know.

Actually the company would put us on back burner, as the pilots and FAs are gearing up for negotiations. They just wouldn’t be available to mediated talks because the union publicly stated their not budgeing. The law is on companies side.

I agree membership should see exactly what’s being offered in writing, because frankly I have a hard time trusting either side especially the union.