American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Racer X]

If you believe that then ask Mr Baskett to post the document. He claims the company offered no bagroom and no abr (100% bull chiat) but then says he cant actually show you because the company only negotiates verbally AND YOU BELIEVE THAT AH HA HA AH HA HA.
I dont waste much time with you Robbed but the company submits written proposals. Mr baskett is either telling a clean lie or just repeating what Sito told him.
Amazed that you actually believe that mediators would waste their time without written proposals. I put my money on what I saw by transferring to pbi. I had my concerns that this small station would close. Its not, neither has the company proposed to get rid of these small stations like Mr Baskett suggested.
I am guessing that the union bosses are just lowering the bar, so when they get a ta that does away with our health care, they can say they fought and at least secured bagroom and abr.
Look, give them credit for it if thats what they want, as long as employees get to vote and secure the contract.

Baskett did not say that small stations were being outsourced. Earlier post you said you understand what he is saying in regards to our current when and where so directed language vs what the company wants in NEW when and where so directed language. Obviously you don’t by your continued rants.
I honestly don’t know how you live with yourselves.

 

[WeAAsles]

I would like to know what leverage do you think we have to move the company, you said a few posts back we can't strike, I personally don't think we have any, a big fat zero. If that's the case let's stop negoitiating and just move on to the next step, sitting and praying the company is gonna find a conscience and give in is hurting all LAA guys, or don't you care about us??

 

[Kev3188]

nah, it was ua that first raised the bar...munoz, getting bernie sanders' heart. delta followed. $30/hr was just around the corner after $28/hr.

i'm 99% certain...ua and dl people here and that's what i remember. all this and aa was at $24/hr at the time..until 2016.

DL's big jump into $30 territory happened at the end of 2015. Prior to that, we received a base rate increase in April of that year.

 

[WeAAsles]

in regards to aa's balance sheet - the worm is finally starting to turn. $760 billion in debt eliminated last year and another $1+ billion this year. $7.6 billion in liquidity on jan 1 2019. Cap Ex is shrinking.

delta assumed $2 billion more in debt last year, while it had $1.8 billion in liquidity on jan 1 2019.

Parker has stated often that over time AA will close the gap with Delta. And the Latin American economy particularly the problems in Venezuela had created headwinds against AA’s revenue exposure. Also why MIA has not had much focus for any major expansion as of late.

https://www.focus-economics.com/regions/latin-america

 

[MikeS]

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A "piece of crap" contract to him may not be to the members. He and all the other union bosses are supposed to be there for the members. To serve the members you have to listen to the MEMBERS.

 

[Kev3188]

Anyway if you think you’ve personally influenced my wages and need a pat on the back or something, I’m sorry I can’t oblige you.

Wasn't asking.

Nice red jacket you have there Kev.

I am many things. A snappy dresser isn't one of them.

Parker has stated often that over time AA will close the gap with Delta.

Hunh.
You don't say...

 

[WeAAsles]

I honestly don’t know how you live with yourselves.

"Kirk, old friend, do you know the Klingon proverb, 'Revenge is a dish best served cold'?"

– Khan Noonien Singh in "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan"

He has a personal vendetta that consumes him.

 

[WeAAsles]

A "piece of crap" contract to him may not be to the members. He and all the other union bosses are supposed to be there for the members. To serve the members you have to listen to the MEMBERS.

“Union Bosses”? Now who have I heard that term come from lately?

BTW this Member from what he’s heard also thinks it’s a piece of crap and I don’t like bringing crap even near my house much less bringing it inside.

 

[737823]

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Weez ill never forget when one of my union heads said publicly that the industry would be better off of US went out of business. Doubt youll find it anywhere cause it was squashed quickly but he said it. But to make a long story short ill never support a union that operates like a business. Thats why id rather see a union operated solely by employees

Same with TWA but why did AA have to assume the cost, drain on morale and culture, etc to make it happen? The rest of the industry wanted them gone but didn’t want to acquire them as they had nothing of value.

Josh

 

[Vortilon]

I just had a moment to read your last post a little more and this is what stood out to me.

Transparency? What “exactly” are you looking for that you’re not getting? Are you looking for TA’d item information before it’s an official AIP? Do you want them to write out precisely what’s being said back and forth in the room? A lot of the stuff they’re working on or dealing with now is mostly verbal until they’ve reached agreement and then they can put it to paper.

BTW I will agree with you on one thing that neither Union has done a spectacular job trying to explain concisely how Negotiations work or how they’re working now with the Mediators attached.

Now the “UNIONS” past actions? Does that mean you would prefer to be non Union?

You tell me? Of all the Major Airlines over the last 40 years. Which Airline, Work Group, or Union has been hitting consistent Home Runs through all the catastrophes?

American?
Braniff?
Continental?
Delta?
Eastern?
Northwest?
Pan Am?
Trans World?
United?
USAirways?

Flight Attendants Unions?
Mechanics Unions?
Pilots Unions?
Ramp Unions?

There’s a bunch out there. Give me the Home run King?

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I just had a moment to read your last post a little more and this is what stood out to me.

Transparency? What “exactly” are you looking for that you’re not getting? Are you looking for TA’d item information before it’s an official AIP? Do you want them to write out precisely what’s being said back and forth in the room? A lot of the stuff they’re working on or dealing with now is mostly verbal until they’ve reached agreement and then they can put it to paper.

BTW I will agree with you on one thing that neither Union has done a spectacular job trying to explain concisely how Negotiations work or how they’re working now with the Mediators attached.

Now the “UNIONS” past actions? Does that mean you would prefer to be non Union?

You tell me? Of all the Major Airlines over the last 40 years. Which Airline, Work Group, or Union has been hitting consistent Home Runs through all the catastrophes?

American?
Braniff?
Continental?
Delta?
Eastern?
Northwest?
Pan Am?
Trans World?
United?
USAirways?

Flight Attendants Unions?
Mechanics Unions?
Pilots Unions?
Ramp Unions?

There’s a bunch out there. Give me the Home run King?

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On transparency; at this point, we would like to see the company full text offer. The International lost our blind allegiance a long time ago. It's no secret that the Internationals priorities are not the quality of our contracts, rather the amount of dues coming in. That is another reason why these one size fits all unions with all these overpaid posers in the International can not be trusted. They are the masters of spin when attempting to convince the membership of what the fight is actually about. Unfortunately, those same skills are never applied when negotiating with the company, or the company just isn't having it. Hard to get behind this NC when nobody really knows what we are actually sacrificing for to the tune of $30K per year plus or minus.
You're angling for a position in the International by being their social media troll, I do see that.

Home runs? I have seen one at AA in 33 years. It lasted about a year, and then we got pounded.

 

[WeAAsles]

On transparency; at this point, we would like to see the company full text offer. The International lost our blind allegiance a long time ago.

Hard to get behind this NC when nobody really knows what we are actually sacrificing for to the tune of $30K per year plus or minus.

I deleted everything in your posting that was total garbage and this is what you had left.

The Company (According to the Unions) has never offered a full comprehensive proposal on all remaining issues “In Writing”

If that’s a bald face lie the Company has the best tool out there to refute that lie but so far I haven’t see them do so.

I don’t buy chit BTW until I read the fine print.

BTW Gary told you what the Company wanted in regards to Line Maintenance which is the only thing I think you care about.

It’s your problem if you don’t want to believe one of your own fellow Mechanics or not.

 

[Rogallo]

in regards to aa's balance sheet - the worm is finally starting to turn. $760 billion in debt eliminated last year and another $1+ billion this year. $7.6 billion in liquidity on jan 1 2019. Cap Ex is shrinking.

$760 Billion of debt? That seems to me like a lot of debt. but I ain't no CFO. Is that correct?

 

[AANOTOK]

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[Tim Nelson]

There isn’t a full written offer.

yes there is.

 

[Tim Nelson]

A "piece of crap" contract to him may not be to the members. He and all the other union bosses are supposed to be there for the members. To serve the members you have to listen to the MEMBERS.

It isnt a good contract for the twu dues since it does reduce future headcount. But the contract is phenomenal for all us current members.