American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Duke787]

Does anybody else think that having 20 association guys from different work areas and different unions trying to negotiate a contract for everybody is counterproductive.

I’m thinking a professional negotiating firm should do this for us, there would be no emotion about thinking one group is losing to another group. It would a best deal possible for all.

 

[1986Mekanic]

Does anybody else think fighting for better shifts is an excersize in futility. Didn’t we take cuts in 2003 to save OH and pensions.

MCI AFW TAESL are all closed and pension is frozen. Despite what big jets says, I’m sure our negotiating team will outwit AA executives. After all Our guys went to a month long negotiations class.

All is true. Keep in mind though. We got 10 more years in the pension which equates to approximately another 1000 a month in retirement..

 

[WeAAsles]

https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...-makes-people-selfish-and-less-social/382088/

 

[WeAAsles]

Does anybody else think that having 20 association guys from different work areas and different unions trying to negotiate a contract for everybody is counterproductive.

Yes and that’s why the Leadership of the two Unions took over around 2 years ago. Dwindling down the Negotiators didn’t really speed anything up.

I’m thinking a professional negotiating firm should do this for us, there would be no emotion about thinking one group is losing to another group. It would a best deal possible for all.

A “Professional” Negotiating firm knows nothing about our Contracts and would take years to truly understand them.

Besides both Unions already have Lawyers, Accountants and Actuaries who assist them.

“Professionals” would only capitulate sooner or like AMFA’s Lawyers over at SWA drag it out for almost 7 years now cashing in on Legal fees. (That’s what having Professionals does for you)

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW anyone on here ever read our Contracts? Do you really believe all that Legal language is written by the Union officials?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Call the cops.

GVP
do you want to tell everyone why the IAM Pension Trustees did not approve the actuarial report in its February meeting and will have it resubmitted in April?
Do you know what the actuaries suggested? I do
NOT GOOD

 

[swamt]

Yes and that’s why the Leadership of the two Unions took over around 2 years ago. Dwindling down the Negotiators didn’t really speed anything up.



A “Professional” Negotiating firm knows nothing about our Contracts and would take years to truly understand them.

Besides both Unions already have Lawyers, Accountants and Actuaries who assist them.

“Professionals” would only capitulate sooner or like AMFA’s Lawyers over at SWA drag it out for almost 7 years now cashing in on Legal fees. (That’s what having Professionals does for you)

What a lame response. Professional nego's always help the members. Yea our nego's have dragged on because we did hire professional nego's as well as professional economists to assist and prove to the company what our worth really is. And a professional nego and economist will also show where everyone within a company should be % wise in comparo to the upper, upper officers down to the janitors within the same company. Does your nego's do this weez?? Oh wait you don't have any professional nego's as you state above, so sad indeed. How about an economist?? Weez??? Didn't think so. Please carry on on with your antics. This is so easy. Keep it up weez...

 

[MetalMover]

Besides both Unions already have Lawyers, Accountants and Actuaries who assist them.

Yes and when considering what we have lost in contracts past proves it!

 

[Duke787]

Yes and that’s why the Leadership of the two Unions took over around 2 years ago. Dwindling down the Negotiators didn’t really speed anything up.



A “Professional” Negotiating firm knows nothing about our Contracts and would take years to truly understand them.

Besides both Unions already have Lawyers, Accountants and Actuaries who assist them.

“Professionals” would only capitulate sooner or like AMFA’s Lawyers over at SWA drag it out for almost 7 years now cashing in on Legal fees. (That’s what having Professionals does for you)

That sounds like the argument that we need a union so we can have best work rules, but we have literally the worst work rules including non union company’s. But I understand your point, I just don’t agree with it.

How long have you been in the TWU?

 

[GVPSPIAM]

Yes and when considering what we have lost in contracts past proves it!

Do you realize no union and almost every airline employee has taken concessions since 9/11, SARS, fuel increases due to the Gulf Wars. But hey be like the rest and blame the unions and absolve the company of any blame.

 

[737823]

Do you realize no union and almost every airline employee has taken concessions since 9/11, SARS, fuel increases due to the Gulf Wars. But hey be like the rest and blame the unions and absolve the company of any blame.

Roach and Sito didn’t. Their pay kept climbing as their TWA coworkers got furloughed or if they were lucky got to stay on at AA and take part in the 2003 RPA.

The pain certainly was not felt by everyone.

Josh

 

[Deleted member 14439]

I really don’t understand this? How did we get punked?



Pilots don’t air much of their dirty laundry publicly but they aren’t thrilled about everything right now. And if you ask some FA’s they’ll tell you they took it in the shorts something fierce. Oh they got wages yea but they lost a lot in work rules.

Go read some of their past Hotline posts and join one of their FB Group pages.

They’re always talking about layaway time, hotels and preferential bidding problems.

Come on Weez, you know better. We have been punked by the used car salesman running this airline AND our very own union vis a vis the unelected, illegitimate association.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Do you realize no union and almost every airline employee has taken concessions since 9/11, SARS, fuel increases due to the Gulf Wars. But hey be like the rest and blame the unions and absolve the company of any blame.

911 was almost 20 years ago. Non union groups have done much better, big and small.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Come on Weez, you know better. We have been punked by the used car salesman running this airline AND our very own union vis a vis the unelected, illegitimate association.

weez is a iam pollyanna like alex garcia. In fact alex put weez on a certain project. nuff said.

 

[Kev3188]

GVP
do you want to tell everyone why the IAM Pension Trustees did not approve the actuarial report in its February meeting and will have it resubmitted in April?
Do you know what the actuaries suggested? I do
NOT GOOD

Do tell.

Do you realize no union and almost every airline employee has taken concessions since 9/11, SARS, fuel increases due to the Gulf Wars. But hey be like the rest and blame the unions and absolve the company of any blame.

It's true that all of us were affected by those things, but it's also true that the last several years have seen the industry not only recover but thrive. This is truly a golden age for aviation, and there is no excuse for workers not to share in that.