American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Talos]

right now, the disparity in compensation is felt and talked about. aa is firmly #3 out of the legacy 3 for reasons that i and others see every day.

things that occur every single day that would never happen at delta. the poor quality and quantity of low level mngt. combined with a few scamming crew chiefs is starting to seriously affect the morale. no one wants to do anything. we're lucky that tens of millions want to fly and the shale oil revolution has developed, otherwise, this airline would have no future.

my work area has some 20 FT shifts and there is only 1 FT am shift. a 0700 am shift that a guy with 1977 seniority has. all other am shifts are PT. guys with 2 years have am/partial weekends. quality of work life? nope, not if you want am hours in this area.

united has improved everything by leaps and bounds and they decided to show their appreciation by paying double time to workers who made it in on wed/thurs.

aa gave free chili and hot chocolate. trainers had to bring chili to our work area because the supervisors are too busy enjoying their coffees with CARs agents instead of doing their jobs.

ridiculous stuff. guys with 35 years never made a peep and are now openly cynical and sarcastic. in my opinion, united fell to #3 in the early 90s and it took them 25+ years to claw back to #2. aa was #1, it is now firmly #3 and still in a free fall.

You can see the bad quality of AA with their ranking in all aspects being at or close to the bottom. Scanners that are certainly not advanced technology being used and malfunctioning on a daily basis. Some really non professional stuff going on that I've never seen before. Like you said, lots of negative talk by guys with the lack of direction. It's as if they are running this company as if we are Spirit Air. A few flight attendants that I know are equally alarmed at how things are going. I know mergers are rough, but this is not good in a service business.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You can see the bad quality of AA with their ranking in all aspects being at or close to the bottom. Scanners that are certainly not advanced technology being used and malfunctioning on a daily basis. Some really non professional stuff going on that I've never seen before. Like you said, lots of negative talk by guys with the lack of direction. It's as if they are running this company as if we are Spirit Air. A few flight attendants that I know are equally alarmed at how things are going. I know mergers are rough, but this is not good in a service business.

this company has it made. They either ice 35,000 of its employees with the association, or the association allows a vote on the company offer.

 

[WeAAsles]

this company has it made. They either ice 35,000 of its employees with the association, or the association allows a vote on the company offer.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

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Thanks dude...

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[Buck]

Well if Peterson wants on time bags, and happy customers, he will probably settle ramp, and push maintenance to the side. SWA has made all the groups happy that move the product. They will pay us, but want work rule changes for more cash. We not me personally rejected less pay for scope, it was an 8 dollar hour raise. But people wanted more, will we go 7 or more years for a 5 year deal, only AMFA negotiators can answer that question.

You do not trust the AMFA Negotiators. All you do is bash AMFA.

 

[Buck]

I thought everything is disclosed at AMFA? The cost of the contract won't be greater if you drag it out, but you can rearrange its parts. How does Seham fit into this? He is a pretty sharp guy.

It is...

 

[Buck]

Feb 10, 2016,
Labor Department Sues Machinists Union Pension Fund For Fiduciary Breaches

https://is.gd/LzaIBr

 

[Buck]

AND TODAY'S WINNER IS....

CONGRATULATIONS, YOU EVEN BEAT OUT YOURSELF (TIM) !

https://is.gd/LzaIBr

 

[Buck]

Once again with insults.

You should utilize this, it might help.

https://www.learningrx.com/reading-comprehension-help-for-adults/

Aren't you insulting others in these forums?

 

[Buck]

Hey... don't be so down on the communist... they helped elect the current POTUS, and drive our free market capitalistic economy with NON- UNION cheap labor!

And now the Communists in the United States cannot stand the President, perhaps you are a little confused.

 

[B737 driver]

You do not trust the AMFA Negotiators. All you do is bash AMFA.

You're right I don't trust them, to many stories, not much success. Tell me if you hired a lawyer and he or she renegotiated for over 6 years, and took six months to have a vote for you to consider, and in all that time you got a pay raise, but nothing else, would you keep the lawyer or fire him?

 

[Buck]

You're right I don't trust them, too many stories, not much success. Tell me if you hired a lawyer and he or she renegotiated for over 6 years and took six months to have a vote for you to consider, and in all that time you got a pay raise, but nothing else, would you keep the lawyer or fire him?

Seham must have satisfied a majority of the membership. You seem to be alone in your criticism.
Seham was our lawyer during our AMFA drives, he was a pleasure to work with.
I believe he even represented us pro bono at times. Seham did not negotiate alone.
We have been negotiating basically since the bankruptcy, 2003.
Are there any other Industrial Unionists under AMFA's wing?

 

[GVPSPIAM]

Feb 10, 2016,
Labor Department Sues Machinists Union Pension Fund For Fiduciary Breaches

https://is.gd/LzaIBr

Funny you didn’t post the voluntary settlement.

https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/ebsa/ebsa20160721

Tell the whole story, not half.

 

[B737 driver]

Seham must have satisfied a majority of the membership. You seem to be alone in your criticism.
Seham was our lawyer during our AMFA drives, he was a pleasure to work with.
I believe he even represented us pro bono at times. Seham did not negotiate alone.
We have been negotiating basically since the bankruptcy, 2003.
Are there any other Industrial Unionists under AMFA's wing?

You didn't answer my question , the lawyer was a metaphor for our Union. No industrial unions under AMFA wing. We are locked with this lawfirm because AMFA grew from his father, and he basically inherited the business. Your 2003 situation is because American went bankrupt, and that's the hand your union was dealt. You guys could have easily faught and ended up like Northwest with nothing. The SWA situation is completely different , profitable for 45 years, almost like the situation Teamsters has with UPS , they have a superior contract to ours! So again if your representation had a profitable company that never went bankrupt negotiated for over 6 years, and basically got you a raise, and wanted you to keep trusting their leadership would you?

 

[GVPSPIAM]

Seeham and his dad are union busters along with Kevin McCormick.

Track Record
This latest scheme, backed by Seham's group may have a new name, but their claims of offering legal services, is their usual foot in the door to exploit workers. What goes on behind the backs of the workers they represent is the most abhorrent.

In fact, their law firm of Seham and Seham has represented corporations – including airlines such as TWA, SAS, El Al, Varig and Air Lingus – in legal actions against workers and unions, opposing workers' rights for years. A few examples:

• Seham represented Varig's effort to block a union election as far back as 1983;
• SAS used Seham to block the Teamsters from honoring picket lines during an Eastern Airlines strike in 1989;
• A lawyer from Seham's firm even helped write a manual for employers called "Fire at Will, Terminating Your Employees Legally."
• When the Allied Pilots Association (APA) at Air West found they were representing management against unions behind their backs, they fired McCormick.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-05-23-0405230037-story.html

http://afaeagle.com/who-is-behind-rfaa/

Where is the ETOPS lawsuit? WN is flying their ETOPS proving runs starting Tuesday.

Kevin McCormick

https://www.goiam.org/publications/2005fall/amfa.pdf