American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[P. REZ]

I thought AA stated in their proposal that anyone on the clock today would have a job forever. Obviously that's only good until the next contract. I would think it would be hard to find jobs for 3300-4000 if those jobs were taken away.
But back to my other point. In AA's "Jetnet" offers, I don't recall them saying everything would be "when and where as directed". Are you saying they now are claiming bagrooms, bag transfer, encoding, office work tower work etc...that is currently done by either the IAM or TWU would fall under the when and where? The Associations, yours and some of the locals who are stating it are now saying the "Official" line is AA is now wanting everything except the loading and unloading of airplanes and that's it. Or at least the ability to have that if they so desire??

AANOTOK,

The contract would last 5 years plus another 2-3 negotiating another one, so with the age of our work force and buyouts, the potential job loss is high.

P. Rez

 

[ALUS78]

They just put out the new Jetnet proposal.
(Watch all the schmucks go running)

Hopefully they will two sides to every store.Both sides should be ashamed of themselves

 

[MetalMover]

There are probably 1000 or more express jobs that mainline does that they can get rd of tomorrow .Makes you wonder why they dont.Here in LGA it would be a simple transfer of flights to envoy.Id rather have it in writing dont want to be looking over my shoulder

I think not everyone realizes the options they have RIGHT NOW under current AA/TWU language where changes can be made without waiting for a new contract.

 

[737823]

AANOTOK,

I know the company has stated something like 6 cities keeping deicing and the hubs keeping cargo. The rest would fall under "when and where directed." That includes deicing in every other station, lavs, water, express flights, catering, catering security, RON cleaning and turn cleaning. What this means is some places may do the above and some may not, it's company discretion. For example, PHX outsourced catering security roughly 6 months ago which was around 3 FTE's. That may sound small but 3 here, 5 there, etc. will add up over time. Obviously, the Company has already stated 500-700 catering jobs are gone. In many stations we do express flights but my fear is that the company would act on outsourcing of that work. I personally believe that between 2000-4000 fleet jobs will be lost over the life of this contract, maybe more.

I know Tim Nelson stated catering was safe but I haven't heard anything official on that, if so potential job loss still would sit at 1500-3300 over the life of the contract.

How close do you think we are to getting that deal knowing this information?

P. Rez

Catering sold out the small stations when their own overage could be absorbed on the PHL ramp. What goes around comes around.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Catering sold out the small stations when their own overage could be absorbed on the PHL ramp. What goes around comes around.

Josh

catering and CLT sold out all non hubs to get a $1 pay raise in 2003. All stations went down to $15 except the hubs and focus who got 20% more. That said, we arent losing any employees.

 

[737823]

catering and CLT sold out all non hubs to get a $1 pay raise in 2003. All stations went down to $15 except the hubs and focus who got 20% more. That said, we arent losing any employees.

So why did Roa & 700 attack Freedom for acting on the NCs recommendation for the 2008 agreement? Both 700 and Roa were active in 2003.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

So why did Roa & 700 attack Freedom for acting on the NCs recommendation for the 2008 agreement? Both 700 and Roa were active in 2003.

Josh

because roa only cared about pa king his liquer kits in clt catering and didnt give a fart in the wind over any other station. And we all suspected that 700 was the one who stole money but he bailed out before he could be had.

 

[Talos]

I thought AA stated in their proposal that anyone on the clock today would have a job forever. Obviously that's only good until the next contract. I would think it would be hard to find jobs for 3300-4000 if those jobs were taken away.
But back to my other point. In AA's "Jetnet" offers, I don't recall them saying everything would be "when and where as directed". Are you saying they now are claiming bagrooms, bag transfer, encoding, office work tower work etc...that is currently done by either the IAM or TWU would fall under the when and where? The Associations, yours and some of the locals who are stating it are now saying the "Official" line is AA is now wanting everything except the loading and unloading of airplanes and that's it. Or at least the ability to have that if they so desire??

The lack of communication makes you think it's anyone's guess what the company wants. I've heard the same things about all work except line crew work is asked for by the company. That's outrageous, and if true the membership should be told. I understand the complications with 2 union groups, but the company wanting it all is not what you like to hear after all this time. Even as a rumor. It just does not feel like things are moving in the right direction.

 

[AANOTOK]

The lack of communication makes you think it's anyone's guess what the company wants. I've heard the same things about all work except line crew work is asked for by the company. That's outrageous, and if true the membership should be told. I understand the complications with 2 union groups, but the company wanting it all is not what you like to hear after all this time. Even as a rumor. It just does not feel like things are moving in the right direction.

Well, depending on who you ask and what direction it comes from, it's Wages, it's Scope (expanded from Lavs, Water, Catering, Deicing, to everything except loading and unloading), it's retirement, it's part time ratio, it's medical.
Agree Talos, it does seem to be going the opposite direction and I'm not even sure what has a T/A other than maybe OT. The lack of transparency is not good when you are trying to rally the troops.

 

[ALUS78]

catering and CLT sold out all non hubs to get a $1 pay raise in 2003. All stations went down to $15 except the hubs and focus who got 20% more. That said, we arent losing any employees.

What makes it worse is that catering would have been absorbed.Paying someone 70k to pack liquor kits

 

[ALUS78]

Well, depending on who you ask and what direction it comes from, it's Wages, it's Scope (expanded from Lavs, Water, Catering, Deicing, to everything except loading and unloading), it's retirement, it's part time ratio, it's medical.
Agree Talos, it does seem to be going the opposite direction and I'm not even sure what has a T/A other than maybe OT. The lack of transparency is not good when you are trying to rally the troops.

I'm suprised the company isn't coming out with something.Guess you can't adress every rumor

 

[AANOTOK]

I'm suprised the company isn't coming out with something.Guess you can't adress every rumor

Maybe it's just different interpretations...

 

[ALUS78]

Maybe it's just different interpretations...

Could be but it's a major snag.Why in the first company proposal they were going to replace just building and auto that way ?now it is expanding

 

[Tim Nelson]

What makes it worse is that catering would have been absorbed.Paying someone 70k to pack liquor kits

we need to keep catering.

 

[ALUS78]

we need to keep catering.

Not at the expense or small cities or creating a b scale