American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Airline Forums posters.

 

[ALUS78]

Airline Forums posters.

No rage,frustration this could easily drag on for years

 

[AANOTOK]

Welcome to "Youtube 2"

 

[AANOTOK]

No rage,frustration this could easily drag on for years

C'mon Al, doing the right thing has no timetable. Your voice and 40 years doesn't matter. It's about the future...

 

[ALUS78]

C'mon Al, doing the right thing has no timetable. Your voice and 40 years doesn't matter. It's about the future...

Future dues that is

 

[AANOTOK]

Al, are you broke? Are you desperate for money? What's with the greed? Let it play out Al.
It's not about you.

 

[WeAAsles]

No rage,frustration this could easily drag on for years

Al you’re totally full of crap. You’re just playin up the crowd. You ain’t frustrated at all.

I’m not either, lol. Weeeeeeezzzzzzz

 

[ALUS78]

No rage,frustration this could easily drag on for years

Will you ever admit the association looks pretty sorry now?Cant wait for the Jetnet proposal that has the compensation Tim speaks of

 

[ALUS78]

Al you’re totally full of crap. You’re just playin up the crowd. You ain’t frustrated at all.

I’m not either, lol. Weeeeeeezzzzzzz

Absolute level of frustration

 

[P. REZ]

"Negotiations Update: There has been no movement since last week on the scope discussion with the Company. Their stance continues to be that our core work is the loading and unloading of aircraft and all other work that we do now would be at their discretion " where and when so directed" this is unacceptable."

I still haven't seen it stated anywhere other than the unsigned Association updates that AA wants Fleet to unload and load airplanes only. I also think the Association has done a poor job of explaining exactly what "where and when so directed" means and how it pertains to our current jobs. I have ask many people in DFW and nobody understands it.

AANOTOK,

I know the company has stated something like 6 cities keeping deicing and the hubs keeping cargo. The rest would fall under "when and where directed." That includes deicing in every other station, lavs, water, express flights, catering, catering security, RON cleaning and turn cleaning. What this means is some places may do the above and some may not, it's company discretion. For example, PHX outsourced catering security roughly 6 months ago which was around 3 FTE's. That may sound small but 3 here, 5 there, etc. will add up over time. Obviously, the Company has already stated 500-700 catering jobs are gone. In many stations we do express flights but my fear is that the company would act on outsourcing of that work. I personally believe that between 2000-4000 fleet jobs will be lost over the life of this contract, maybe more.

I know Tim Nelson stated catering was safe but I haven't heard anything official on that, if so potential job loss still would sit at 1500-3300 over the life of the contract.

How close do you think we are to getting that deal knowing this information?

P. Rez

 

[WeAAsles]

Will you ever admit the association looks pretty sorry now?Cant wait for the Jetnet proposal that has the compensation Tim speaks of

They just put out the new Jetnet proposal.
(Watch all the schmucks go running)

 

[ALUS78]

AANOTOK,

I know the company has stated something like 6 cities keeping deicing and the hubs keeping cargo. The rest would fall under "when and where directed." That includes deicing in every other station, lavs, water, express flights, catering, catering security, RON cleaning and turn cleaning. What this means is some places may do the above and some may not, it's company discretion. For example, PHX outsourced catering security roughly 6 months ago which was around 3 FTE's. That may sound small but 3 here, 5 there, etc. will add up over time. Obviously, the Company has already stated 500-700 catering jobs are gone. In many stations we do express flights but my fear is that the company would act on outsourcing of that work. I personally believe that between 2000-4000 fleet jobs will be lost over the life of this contract, maybe more.

I know Tim Nelson stated catering was safe but I haven't heard anything official on that, if so potential job loss still would sit at 1500-3300 over the life of the contract.

How close do you think we are to getting that deal knowing this information?

P. Rez

There are probably 1000 or more express jobs that mainline does that they can get rd of tomorrow .Makes you wonder why they dont.Here in LGA it would be a simple transfer of flights to envoy.Id rather have it in writing dont want to be looking over my shoulder

 

[AANOTOK]

I thought AA stated in their proposal that anyone on the clock today would have a job forever. Obviously that's only good until the next contract. I would think it would be hard to find jobs for 3300-4000 if those jobs were taken away.
But back to my other point. In AA's "Jetnet" offers, I don't recall them saying everything would be "when and where as directed". Are you saying they now are claiming bagrooms, bag transfer, encoding, office work tower work etc...that is currently done by either the IAM or TWU would fall under the when and where? The Associations, yours and some of the locals who are stating it are now saying the "Official" line is AA is now wanting everything except the loading and unloading of airplanes and that's it. Or at least the ability to have that if they so desire??

 

[ALUS78]

I thought AA stated in their proposal that anyone on the clock today would have a job forever. Obviously that's only good until the next contract. I would think it would be hard to find jobs for 3300-4000 if those jobs were taken away.
But back to my other point. In AA's "Jetnet" offers, I don't recall them saying everything would be "when and where as directed". Are you saying they now are claiming bagrooms, bag transfer, encoding, office work tower work etc...that is currently done by either the IAM or TWU would fall under the when and where? The Associations, yours and some of the locals who are stating it are now saying the "Official" line is AA is now wanting everything except the loading and unloading of airplanes and that's it. Or at least the ability to have that if they so desire??

I'm skeptical why would the company put that out if they really want us to have a contract which I believe they do.And honestly the last two videos hurt the unions credibility in my eyes

 

[WeAAsles]

AANOTOK,

I know the company has stated something like 6 cities keeping deicing and the hubs keeping cargo. The rest would fall under "when and where directed." That includes deicing in every other station, lavs, water, express flights, catering, catering security, RON cleaning and turn cleaning. What this means is some places may do the above and some may not, it's company discretion. For example, PHX outsourced catering security roughly 6 months ago which was around 3 FTE's. That may sound small but 3 here, 5 there, etc. will add up over time. Obviously, the Company has already stated 500-700 catering jobs are gone. In many stations we do express flights but my fear is that the company would act on outsourcing of that work. I personally believe that between 2000-4000 fleet jobs will be lost over the life of this contract, maybe more.

I know Tim Nelson stated catering was safe but I haven't heard anything official on that, if so potential job loss still would sit at 1500-3300 over the life of the contract.

How close do you think we are to getting that deal knowing this information?

P. Rez

The last Association update sounded to me as if the Company had relented to ALL the work we currently perform TODAY but then decided to hold that agreement hostage until they could get what they wanted out of the Medical, Retirement and Wage conversations.

Now of course the entire thing is just one big shell game anyway. We ask for more work, they ask to take work and in the end if we settle on status quo it makes it look like we won the battle.

I say hold firm. We’ve both given up enough work over our careers and it’s time to at the VERY least keep what we have left which ALL OF IT IS our CORE work. (Don’t let the Company define that word)