American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Does anybody know when the next round of negotiations will be.

they no longer pass proposals, just gas and its only verbal negotiations.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I guess it's ok for pilots to concerned ONLY about pilots, but when mechanics seek to do the same, all we get from you is ridicule.


I agree, but not much we could do about it.


They love being self insured. Money makes money.


Not sure of any bridges in FLA that can compete with the BB as far as character goes.



Where in my post did I bring up wages and what anyone makes????????????????????


You said it yourself...."Raise your wages, get some of it back in higher medical or productivity"


OUR negotiations are being held hostage by LUS medical...
Their concern is MEDICAL.....Ours is SCOPE....They already have higher outsourcing than we do while we have higher medical costs!

of cpurse its hostage but we need our medical.

 

[pjirish317]

They may not be in a rush to settle our contract. Nothing is stopping them right now from cutting jobs for, instance. Nothing is preventing more outsourcing because our percentage is on the spend not manhours. As far as my base, considering what I started earning, it is not unfeasible to believe I am at this salary now.
BTW, if they give us the cheaper medical, the pilots, f/a's, agents and everyone else will want the cheaper medical. That has to be on their minds.


Like I said, I would like to see what they pay per employee.

Metal,

Let me ask you this, if we get the medical plans that the IAM currently have, why would everybody else want it? The only reason I ask this, is because the pilots are GIVEN 16% into their 401k, and nobody else has that, and still nobody in the company is screaming from the rooftops that they want that 16% just put into their 401k also. So if the pilots can get 16% given to them when nobody else can, why can't we have cheaper medical plans and everybody else have the AA plans?

 

[MetalMover]

Metal, Let me ask you this, if we get the medical plans that the IAM currently have, why would everybody else want it? The only reason I ask this, is because the pilots are GIVEN 16% into their 401k, and nobody else has that, and still nobody in the company is screaming from the rooftops that they want that 16% just put into their 401k also. So if the pilots can get 16% given to them when nobody else can, why can't we have cheaper medical plans and everybody else have the AA plans?

Human nature.

Let me ask you this,pj......If we were to get the 16% contribution into OUR 401k, would and should we and the LUS IAM members be happy with it but have to pay LAA medical?

 

[WeAAsles]

Human nature.

Let me ask you this,pj......If we were to get the 16% contribution into OUR 401k, would and should we and the LUS IAM members be happy with it but have to pay LAA medical?

Metal the answer to your question should be “yes” depending of course on where individuals actually need their compensation to go. Because in the end that’s all it is is compensation.

But if we got 16% then you fall back into the same conundrum that already disturbes you. The Agents and the Flight Attendants are going to want it too, so no way it can be offered I guess. BTW they’re also going to want comparable to our Fleet wages too aren’t they? (Yearly FA’s make about the same as Fleet)

Next year the FA’s drop down to a 5.5% Match for all in their group. Their tiered 401k program comes to an end.

 

[cltrat]

As far as Fleet goes the company makes more than enough money on bag fees to pay for their medical and lots of other stuff. Is the association bringing this up in Fleet negotiations? I would hope so.

if you think they make a lot on baggage fees( they do) take a look at what they make on all those credit cards they are pimping all over the airport.
Both work groups need to realize we aren’t each others enemy,that the company is trying to fk us both as much as they can

 

[WeAAsles]

Posted by IAM AGC Mark Baskett...

Briefing for 8-26-18

NEGOTIATIONS: Well as most of you have probably read by now from the Association update, this past week as usual, did not go well.
This past week was almost completely focused on scope for fleet service.

You have seen me state before on what we are trying to accomplish on scope. Our first goal is to secure all of our work in our 40 stations that we are performing today.

Then in a separate group of stations, we are trying to bring back up to 16 stations that we were once in. In these stations, we would not necessarily be guaranteed all the work. Probably just the core work.

Keep this in mind, we have only 40 stations today because of both unions going through their respective bankruptcies with the company. On the IAM side, we were down more than this until our merger with America West years ago, brought back the number we have today.

The company is telling us in negotiations, that not only do they not want to consider any of these new stations, but that we are being unreasonable
expecting all the work being performed today in our current stations. Again, they only want to guarantee " core " work in these 40 stations. Loading and unloading of aircraft.

I hope everyone understands this. They still want to take from our group, from what we have today in our current two contracts. This is the crazy mentality we are dealing with at the negotiating table. If our group wasn't living it today, I would say its not possible.

I'm saying it again. The company believes we are being unreasonable by asking for work that we are performing today in our current cities.

Seriously!!! Scope that is taken from a TWU bankrupt contract, and a IAM contract thats just one section 6 negotiation since bankruptcy. They want everyone out there to believe, that as the worlds largest carrier this is just not doable. The worlds largest carrier that Parker has stated will never lose money again.

We are currently performing all this work today, but yet they say we are being unreasonable to expect to keep this work for our members.

I don't think there is one person out there that would be reading this, that would think we are being unreasonable, except for the company negotiators.

We have to wake up and realize that this company wants the ability over a period of time in this contract to make much of our work just disappear.

Work that if we allow them to take, we will never get back. Some may disagree with this, and think we could get it back, so Ill ask you when? When would we get it back? When the company is profitable?? Oh yea, the company is profitable. In fact its been through record profits in the last few years.

Obviously this company now negotiates with the mentality that a group must give up work every time you negotiate a contract. We have to say enough is enough. We have to demand at the very least, to protect what we have today. If we fail to do this, what will they come after next time, after they have attritioned the fleet service work down to just the core work by the end of this contract. I guess the only thing left then would be to only offer core work in the hubs.

In my opinion, no matter how long this takes, we must protect all work we perform today. This in no way is asking for too much. In fact, we should be growing our work in these best of times just like our proposal suggest.

Brothers and sisters, we are in a fight, its time everyone realizes this. This is a fight to protect what you own. You don't play nice in a fight. You don't pretend the person you are fighting is your best friend. You fight!! And you fight for as long as it takes.

This company is proving what fleet service means to them. They are proving what each and everyone of you mean to them. They by their actions, they show what you mean to them. Sure, they will have an employee appreciation day sometime again I'm sure, and many of our members will feel loved again. But we better wake up. We better see the writing on the wall, and we better fight!!

We must all come together no matter what union we are from. And we must fight the company together to win. Don't let the naysayers out there tell you its too late to come together. Don't let them tell you there is no need to fight, and that it won't matter. I cant tell you when or how long we must fight. But I can tell you that the only way I am 100% confident that we would lose, is if we choose not to fight.

I'm asking all the brothers and sisters out there to have some pride, and stand up for what is simply fair and reasonable for our work group. Everyone stay determined, and yes, maybe get a little mad. We will get this done, and get a contract our members deserve.

EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD AND SAFE WEEK
MARK BASKETT

 

[Tim Nelson]

Posted by IAM AGC Mark Baskett...

Briefing for 8-26-18

NEGOTIATIONS: Well as most of you have probably read by now from the Association update, this past week as usual, did not go well.
This past week was almost completely focused on scope for fleet service.

You have seen me state before on what we are trying to accomplish on scope. Our first goal is to secure all of our work in our 40 stations that we are performing today.

Then in a separate group of stations, we are trying to bring back up to 16 stations that we were once in. In these stations, we would not necessarily be guaranteed all the work. Probably just the core work.

Keep this in mind, we have only 40 stations today because of both unions going through their respective bankruptcies with the company. On the IAM side, we were down more than this until our merger with America West years ago, brought back the number we have today.

The company is telling us in negotiations, that not only do they not want to consider any of these new stations, but that we are being unreasonable
expecting all the work being performed today in our current stations. Again, they only want to guarantee " core " work in these 40 stations. Loading and unloading of aircraft.

I hope everyone understands this. They still want to take from our group, from what we have today in our current two contracts. This is the crazy mentality we are dealing with at the negotiating table. If our group wasn't living it today, I would say its not possible.

I'm saying it again. The company believes we are being unreasonable by asking for work that we are performing today in our current cities.

Seriously!!! Scope that is taken from a TWU bankrupt contract, and a IAM contract thats just one section 6 negotiation since bankruptcy. They want everyone out there to believe, that as the worlds largest carrier this is just not doable. The worlds largest carrier that Parker has stated will never lose money again.

We are currently performing all this work today, but yet they say we are being unreasonable to expect to keep this work for our members.

I don't think there is one person out there that would be reading this, that would think we are being unreasonable, except for the company negotiators.

We have to wake up and realize that this company wants the ability over a period of time in this contract to make much of our work just disappear.

Work that if we allow them to take, we will never get back. Some may disagree with this, and think we could get it back, so Ill ask you when? When would we get it back? When the company is profitable?? Oh yea, the company is profitable. In fact its been through record profits in the last few years.

Obviously this company now negotiates with the mentality that a group must give up work every time you negotiate a contract. We have to say enough is enough. We have to demand at the very least, to protect what we have today. If we fail to do this, what will they come after next time, after they have attritioned the fleet service work down to just the core work by the end of this contract. I guess the only thing left then would be to only offer core work in the hubs.

In my opinion, no matter how long this takes, we must protect all work we perform today. This in no way is asking for too much. In fact, we should be growing our work in these best of times just like our proposal suggest.

Brothers and sisters, we are in a fight, its time everyone realizes this. This is a fight to protect what you own. You don't play nice in a fight. You don't pretend the person you are fighting is your best friend. You fight!! And you fight for as long as it takes.

This company is proving what fleet service means to them. They are proving what each and everyone of you mean to them. They by their actions, they show what you mean to them. Sure, they will have an employee appreciation day sometime again I'm sure, and many of our members will feel loved again. But we better wake up. We better see the writing on the wall, and we better fight!!

We must all come together no matter what union we are from. And we must fight the company together to win. Don't let the naysayers out there tell you its too late to come together. Don't let them tell you there is no need to fight, and that it won't matter. I cant tell you when or how long we must fight. But I can tell you that the only way I am 100% confident that we would lose, is if we choose not to fight.

I'm asking all the brothers and sisters out there to have some pride, and stand up for what is simply fair and reasonable for our work group. Everyone stay determined, and yes, maybe get a little mad. We will get this done, and get a contract our members deserve.

EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD AND SAFE WEEK
MARK BASKETT

there are 1,200 iam jobs from phl lga dca pit clt that are "when and where directed". And a few twu stations that can be closed down.

Since the company hasnt decided, at this time, to eliminate those things, its hard to imagine the World War that Mr Baskett wants.

 

[swamt]

We've seen that movie before...

Been watching that movie for over 3 decades now huh?

 

[swamt]

they no longer pass proposals, just gas and its only verbal negotiations.

According to the last 2 updates you are 100% correct. Until they put it in writing it's nothing but talk and a way to stall real progress without passing proposals. Scope is a great example of this. Scope was talked about and talked about, now, they yanked it right back off the table. Just more stall tactics by the company.

 

[Rogallo]

Been watching that movie for over 3 decades now huh?

HAD ENOUGH YET!

Just had to! 🙂

 

[Tim Nelson]

According to the last 2 updates you are 100% correct. Until they put it in writing it's nothing but talk and a way to stall real progress without passing proposals. Scope is a great example of this. Scope was talked about and talked about, now, they yanked it right back off the table. Just more stall tactics by the company.

doesnt make sense since the union refused to file section 6.

 

[WeAAsles]

there are 1,200 iam jobs from phl lga dca pit clt that are "when and where directed". And a few twu stations that can be closed down.

Since the company hasnt decided, at this time, to eliminate those things, its hard to imagine the World War that Mr Baskett wants.

I’m sorry. I know that you have multiple reasons in your own mind to want revenge against anyone and anything having to do with the IAM but if the Company only wants my “CORE” work to be loading and offloading flights then we ARE at WAR already.

I’ll leave out a shovel for those 1,200 jobs to be buried and we can scorch the Earth for those TWU Cities (1 or 2) as well.

And the Ents won the battle at Isengard and defeated Saruman BTW.

 

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[Tim Nelson]

I’m sorry. I know that you have multiple reasons in your own mind to want revenge against anyone and anything having to do with the IAM but if the Company only wants my “CORE” work to be loading and offloading flights then we ARE at WAR already.

I’ll leave out a shovel for those 1,200 jobs to be buried and we can scorch the Earth for those TWU Cities (1 or 2) as well.

And the Ents won the battle at Isengard and defeated Saruman BTW.

dont get me wrong, i love the chest pounding 3-5 more year dragout talks but if things were as bad as what Mr Baskett is screaming then they should have filed section 6.

Weez, everything isnt about me or an agenda, im not the only one who thinks the association should be more forthcoming.