American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

Al, im officially not an IAM member. I rescinded my membership and met with attorneys on Monday to create a brand new Transportation union. Presently, we are reviewing Delta flight attendant group. May get involved with Delta ramp, McGee, and others. But we are researching which ones to plunge in first. Also one non transportation iam unit of a few hundred. Truly exciting times and not restricted to iam constitution.

I'm sure a lot of IAM members will want the same status when we finally get a contract.Was it a difficult process?

 

[Tim Nelson]

i was hoping that tim would post something relevant to his statement that an AIP exists and we'll get details in a few weeks.

i posted on my fb group. All the big boys are there. This thing should be signed before the kids go back to school

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm sure a lot of IAM members will want the same status when we finally get a contract.Was it a difficult process?

nope. took 5 minutes. For my local its $22

 

[Jester]

our station has an ex-aw/us guy from phx as the operations manager (not sure of his title) and he has definitely implemented his ideas of 3-4 man crews and blocs of FSCs coming from other areas to either ramp or dump/load planes. the other top operations manager is an aa blue-blood, former c/c...and his thing is PT and more PT. he loves PT. my guess is that ex aw/us manager salisbury is one level higher than the former aa c/c...and only answers to the station manager.

ord has been gutted the past 20 years. in 2000-2001, there were apprx. 1800-2000 f/t & p/t fscs and c/c, 2nd only to dfw...with domestic cabin, intl. cabin, mail, eagle ramp connect, bus driving and other work areas gone...there are apprx. 900 f/t ramp and freight fscs & c/c now. the job losses/outsourcing and eagle have gutted ord.

i'd say the station is angry...lots of 50+ and older guys in limbo with 20-25 years having to work the gates, maybe even pm shifts...with no relief for easier/am shifts in sight. i believe that is the reason there is a new local president every election.

I think that's Dale Salisbury, if I recall correctly, and what you say reminds me as to how these "radical" changes (3-man crews vs. 5/6 man crews) comes into acceptance-- it isn't some grand announcement, but usually a discrete movement of "utility" people who are otherwise unassigned to a particular job function or area. In a large hub such as ORD with a bid, it might be difficult to estimate the number and use of crews, especially if hidden as a catch-all as being utility. When orders are given, it would be difficult to claim it isn't one's job as they are utility and subject to be assigned and moved anywhere, and before anyone knows better, there's a 3/4 man team handling a gate.

I thought Mike Selanne was heading towards ORD, so be grateful that you dodged that guy.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I think that's Dale Salisbury, if I recall correctly, and what you say reminds me as to how these "radical" changes (3-man crews vs. 5/6 man crews) comes into acceptance-- it isn't some grand announcement, but usually a discrete movement of "utility" people who are otherwise unassigned to a particular job function or area. In a large hub such as ORD with a bid, it might be difficult to estimate the number and use of crews, especially if hidden as a catch-all as being utility. When orders are given, it would be difficult to claim it isn't one's job as they are utility and subject to be assigned and moved anywhere, and before anyone knows better, there's a 3/4 man team handling a gate.

I thought Mike Selanne was heading towards ORD, so be grateful that you dodged that guy.

Dale seems fine here. Dunno, maybe he will turn but thus far he has been really fair. Dont get me wrong, he is strong management but he has shown fairness and compassion here, at least from my lus perspective. I was shocked cuz I heard he was a monster but both him and Dan (from phx) seem to listen. Thus far anyways.

 

[Stallid]

Heard that TWU514 recording secretary, Jay Potter (TWU scope guru) is with the negotiations team finalizing JCBA scope language. Also, heard from a mechanic with social media accounts (which I do not have) that GP gave an in-depth, PowerPoint presentation on JCBA to Local 591 members predicting a TA by the end of the month. Can anyone substantiate? Things have been extremely quiet over the last 10 days on the boards.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

i posted on my fb group. All the big boys are there. This thing should be signed before the kids go back to school

ok...i'm not on facebook. we'll see. NYer has been absent here? weaasles has been touching up some final details with mayes - hopefully lavs? my local president is "on a cruise"?

maybe something is brewing?

 

[NYer]

ok...i'm not on facebook. we'll see. NYer has been absent here? weaasles has been touching up some final details with mayes - hopefully lavs? my local president is "on a cruise"?

maybe something is brewing?

Haven't heard anything.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I think that's Dale Salisbury, if I recall correctly, and what you say reminds me as to how these "radical" changes (3-man crews vs. 5/6 man crews) comes into acceptance-- it isn't some grand announcement, but usually a discrete movement of "utility" people who are otherwise unassigned to a particular job function or area. In a large hub such as ORD with a bid, it might be difficult to estimate the number and use of crews, especially if hidden as a catch-all as being utility. When orders are given, it would be difficult to claim it isn't one's job as they are utility and subject to be assigned and moved anywhere, and before anyone knows better, there's a 3/4 man team handling a gate.

I thought Mike Selanne was heading towards ORD, so be grateful that you dodged that guy.

Dale seems fine here. Dunno, maybe he will turn but thus far he has been really fair. Dont get me wrong, he is strong management but he has shown fairness and compassion here, at least from my lus perspective. I was shocked cuz I heard he was a monster but both him and Dan (from phx) seem to listen. Thus far anyways.

never met salisbury, met dan schumpert (sp) once. the irony here is a lav guy i know, speaks highly of salisbury...yet, the company wants to contract out lavs.

2 years ago, salisbury spoke out of line about the laa c/c language and it's future and the person whom he said this to, went straight to the nego. committee.

if the company does bend on laa c/c language, it's going to be a hard pill to swallow for these ex aw/us managers.

salisbury and schumpert are rolling the dice on the domestic side. they were smart and gave lower-level laa managers the day to day operations/decision-making in operations they were not familiar with; intl. and deicing.

again, what they want to implement here, ua was doing the same in the early 90's and ua could not compete, bank-wise, with aa. this just added negative torque to ua's downward spiral to 3rd place amongst the big 3 legacy carriers...for some 25 years?

we'll see how it plays out.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Haven't heard anything.

are you on a cruise too? the love boat or T/A boat?

 

[NYer]

are you on a cruise too? the love boat or T/A boat?

Feels like the Titanic, but I'm sitting next to a lifeboat.

 

[wings396]

never met salisbury, met dan schumpert (sp) once. the irony here is a lav guy i know, speaks highly of salisbury...yet, the company wants to contract out lavs.

2 years ago, salisbury spoke out of line about the laa c/c language and it's future and the person whom he said this to, went straight to the nego. committee.

if the company does bend on laa c/c language, it's going to be a hard pill to swallow for these ex aw/us managers.

salisbury and schumpert are rolling the dice on the domestic side. they were smart and gave lower-level laa managers the day to day operations/decision-making in operations they were not familiar with; intl. and deicing.

again, what they want to implement here, ua was doing the same in the early 90's and ua could not compete, bank-wise, with aa. this just added negative torque to ua's downward spiral to 3rd place amongst the big 3 legacy carriers...for some 25 years?

we'll see how it plays out.

Can you please enlighten me as to what exactly the Crew Chief language is that you're referring to?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

hmmm, i hope the section 6 lifeboat has supplies for 18 months?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Can you please enlighten me as to what exactly the Crew Chief language is that you're referring to?

in a friendly dispute, the union official was told that in time, there will be no more laa c/c...so, in the future, the same friendly dispute will be moot.

 

[cltrat]

I have heard the the union wants
LAA cc language the company wants LUS language