American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

Back in those days the campaign slogan was "strength in numbers". the misconception that if one bargaining unit (mechanics or fleet) went on strike the other would be out with them. Not quite. Two different bargaining groups. One is on strike. The other is honoring picket lines. The company then files for an injunction, usually within 24 hours, to force sympathizers across the line. Court orders union to have members cross or be subject to fine for violation of a court order. When was the last time a union represented work group, in the domestic airline industry, was released by the NMB to go on strike? The NMB exists to mediate contractual settlements within the airline industry. Releasing any labor organization to withdrawal services (strike) is an admission of failure in the mediation process.

I think I was quite clear there would never be another strike.Look at our contract I dont think we have to cross picket lines.I don't know what an injunction would do but again its moot

 

[ALUS78]

its time for a contract. Supper is ready!
How you voting Al?

I'm ready after hearing all the Ass's hype about retaining our medical and realizing they were full of chit its time to move on.Tim how are they going to spin the loss of our medical after digging in the way they did.Chit maybe we could have had a contract a year ago

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm ready after hearing all the Ass's hype about retaining our medical and realizing they were full of chit its time to move on.Tim how are they going to spin the loss of our medical after digging in the way they did.Chit maybe we could have had a contract a year ago

it wont matter. They will prolly say we fought (how?) but ultimately the company wouldnt agree but we got so many other goodies for you (goodies that non union delta currently have). Lus health care wont be a fart in the wind to our members, other than those who needed it.
Wont take much bullchit, after all, our group is so dumb that they have the pension.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

That same scenario is playing out at other carriers as well. It's lose-lose. Those top guys are stuck in bins, and the guys with 15-25 yrs. of seniority who have been waiting for their time in the sun are stuck behind them...

sure...unless that seniority obstacle made you clever and you 'befriend' a c/c.

we got 1 c/c with over 40 years and his best 'buddies' are guys with 18 months seniority. they feed him, buy him coffee, fawn over his stories and chauffeur him around and he assigns them easier jobs. over 40 years and guys with his time can't stand him.

this is what happens when there are 25-30 FSCs and 2-3 c/c. impossible on a gate, different in other areas.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I would work a gate with other AARP members and work at our own pace and we will see if the company is happy with the results.Force me to retire.....nah.The company has to be "sensitive " to older workers too, if not I would consider it discrimination

you wearing your mets hat and your velcro gym shoes that look like dark work shoes?

tell-tale signs.

 

[ALUS78]

you wearing your mets hat and your velcro gym shoes that look like dark work shoes?

tell-tale signs.

Still using laces but velcro doesnt seem like a bad idea, makes it easier to change my pants when I have an accident.When the Mets went into the cellar I switched to wearing a " Make America Great" hat

 

[Talos]

sure...unless that seniority obstacle made you clever and you 'befriend' a c/c.

we got 1 c/c with over 40 years and his best 'buddies' are guys with 18 months seniority. they feed him, buy him coffee, fawn over his stories and chauffeur him around and he assigns them easier jobs. over 40 years and guys with his time can't stand him.

this is what happens when there are 25-30 FSCs and 2-3 c/c. impossible on a gate, different in other areas.

Sad way for someone to wind down their career, hanging with suck up new hires. Pathetic.

 

[dfw gen]

Sad way for someone to wind down their career, hanging with suck up new hires. Pathetic.

Thats the way the whinny little ***** impresses me...

 

[swamt]

Sad way for someone to wind down their career, hanging with suck up new hires. Pathetic.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[dfw gen]

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm ready after hearing all the Ass's hype about retaining our medical and realizing they were full of chit its time to move on.Tim how are they going to spin the loss of our medical after digging in the way they did.Chit maybe we could have had a contract a year ago

Al, im officially not an IAM member. I rescinded my membership and met with attorneys on Monday to create a brand new Transportation union. Presently, we are reviewing Delta flight attendant group. May get involved with Delta ramp, McGee, and others. But we are researching which ones to plunge in first. Also one non transportation iam unit of a few hundred. Truly exciting times and not restricted to iam constitution.

 

[AANOTOK]

Al, im officially not an IAM member. I rescinded my membership and met with attorneys on Monday to create a brand new Transportation union. Presently, we are reviewing Delta flight attendant group. May get involved with Delta ramp, McGee, and others. But we are researching which ones to plunge in first. Also one non transportation iam unit of a few hundred. Truly exciting times and not restricted to iam constitution.

Then this should be posted in the Delta Forum
I want to know what's going on with OUR contract. As usual, not a single word from the
Association in regards to anything. I still say Section 6. Maybe AA will give us an update...

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Sad way for someone to wind down their career, hanging with suck up new hires. Pathetic.

this guy won't leave...they'll need to take him away in an ambulance. he told me over 20 years ago that he would leave at 55.

the gates are impossible to scam. the bagroom and freight do the right thing in my station; as far as i know - they bid piers and unspecified jobs by seniority.

the problem crops up in areas with 15-20-25-30 FSCs with 1-2-3 c/c. lots of good c/c, the bad ones make for a rotten work atmosphere. just by chance, the scam c/c know where to go.

do i blame the new hires? not really...if the c/c has a 'for sale' sign on his shirt, why not?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Then this should be posted in the Delta Forum
I want to know what's going on with OUR contract. As usual, not a single word from the
Association in regards to anything. I still say Section 6. Maybe AA will give us an update...

i was hoping that tim would post something relevant to his statement that an AIP exists and we'll get details in a few weeks.

 

[Matt1200]

I realize now that with no new news on our negotiations that the union and the will sign off on a contract. I think with this card drive that the association is worried. I personally would like to have a union that represents only aircraft maintenance!!!