American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[AANOTOK]

Um I haven’t seen a full TA yet to say that for the most part yes the Association did accomplish it’s goals of gaining the best of both contracts? (Fleet)

I know both CB and P. Rez have said many times that the language they negotiated for the most part were improvements against what they had to start with. I believe them and others who told me the same thing.

Before I pass judgement I think I’ll wait to read the entire book myself. Don’t you think that might be a good idea?

Funny, many IAM members feel it will be concessionary, especially if catering, medical, pension are taken away. And you mean you want ME to wait and see the whole book before passing judgement. You seem to already know that "for the most part" we are gaining the best of both contracts. I look forward to the final product. Then we will see.

 

[NYer]

It was that the best of either CBA may be the starting point on any particular issue and the goal was to improve it Article by Article

Sure, that's easy, give me the best.

There didn't seem to be enough work done on going over point by point as to what the response would be when the best wasn't attainable. Not getting what the goal was and then having to adjust on the fly isn't an ideal way to go about something as complicated and involved as merging CBA's from two groups with contrasting cultures.

 

[AANOTOK]

Sure, that's easy, give me the best.

There didn't seem to be enough work done on going over point by point as to what the response would be when the best wasn't attainable. Not getting what the goal was and then having to adjust on the fly isn't an ideal way to go about something as complicated and involved as merging CBA's from two groups with contrasting cultures.

Yet with a deadline, the pilots were able to do it and a pretty decent one at that.

 

[Traymark]

. Not getting what the goal was and then having to adjust on the fly isn't an ideal way to go about something as complicated and involved as merging CBA's from two groups with contrasting cultures.

Yeah, it’s WAAAAAY more complicated than the THREE DIFFERENT CBA’s from 3 groups and contrasting cultures that were actually at war with each other.
Very complicated.... B.S.

Quick NY'er run to your safe space... ~but they had 150 days or they go to arbitration~ So F'n what!
They reached an agreement in 4 months and got another pay kicker to boot after the fact.
When you look at our negotiations next to all the others, one of these things is not like the others.

 

[NYer]

Yeah, it’s WAAAAAY more complicated than the THREE DIFFERENT CBA’s from 3 groups and contrasting cultures that were actually at war with each other.
Very complicated.... B.S.

Uh-huh. They had a 150-day deadline or have their CBA decided by an A-R-B-I-T-R-A-T-O-R.

Your CBA goes to an arbitrator and you'll lose many jobs, but I'm getting the impression that is perfectly fine with you.

 

[Traymark]

It's so tired dude, it aint huntin.

 

[Buck]

Believe me, his information is garbage. We didn't keep our current LUS healthcare. Not sure why he has to spread those lies but it really does no good.
One thing that we both agree on, finally, is that FSC will get a chance to vote shortly. I'm guessing no more than 2 negotiation sessions with Uncle Jerry and it's a done deal. Some things were made "clear" to Alex and Sito if they wanted to pursue section 6.

But I know that current LUS health care is not on the table and Weez can say it's secure 100 times and it will still be wrong, although I really really had wished Weez would be right. Without current LUS health care, I couldn't possibly vote yes.

Any Pension that is held under the Flag of a Multi Corporate, that uses the assets to cover workers in other industry's is dangerous.

LUS Healthcare is not on the Table? Is there any more information available ?\

 

[NYer]

It's so tired dude, it aint huntin.

Well, you have that card-drive going so your relief is approaching.

 

[Traymark]

Well, you have that card-drive going so your relief is approaching.

It's pretty telling the card drive is originating in the only TWU friendly station in the system.
The TWU has finally jumped the shark.

 

[WeAAsles]

By the time they met in July 2015, the Association had already been certified and the anticipation for negotiations to begin had started.

The two side were scheduled to meet in October of 2014 at the same Wipinsinger Center, but the TWU didn't show due to the BOS issue. They could have met at other times between then and the certification but they used the "we can't talk until we're certified" excuse to get together. All that was wasted time and could have damaged the relationship from the beginning.

It's funny how some on the TWU side call the IAM out for not participating in certain things but the relationship was strained from the beginning and we never really had a chance to come together and get to know each other's positions and cultures, that could have been helpful as we could have understood each other a little better.

I have to admire your tenacity at continuing to try and propel a narrative that thus far has not been bought be pretty much anyone outside maybe your personal inner circle who also goes door to door pushing the sale to all the disinterested.

Maybe try a better product?

 

[WeAAsles]

Sure, that's easy, give me the best.

There didn't seem to be enough work done on going over point by point as to what the response would be when the best wasn't attainable. Not getting what the goal was and then having to adjust on the fly isn't an ideal way to go about something as complicated and involved as merging CBA's from two groups with contrasting cultures.

Yes of course it’s best from the onset to telegraph that you really don’t have the expectations that you originally presented to the Company that you wanted? (Are you really serious)

Have you ever truly “negotiated”?

 

[WeAAsles]

Funny, many IAM members feel it will be concessionary, especially if catering, medical, pension are taken away. And you mean you want ME to wait and see the whole book before passing judgement. You seem to already know that "for the most part" we are gaining the best of both contracts. I look forward to the final product. Then we will see.

Catering, Medical and Pension will not be taken away or else I highly doubt the IAM will accept moving it forward. So for Fleet IAM how will those 3 be modified to be acceptable at the very least becomes the question.

BTW AANOTOK did you know we have or only have depending on your perspective 20 FT spots for Lavatory Servicing. But losing that job still quantifies as a concession does it not?

Can AA offer me something in return to get a yes vote and what can they offer becomes the question.

 

[Racer X]

Sure, that's easy, give me the best.

There didn't seem to be enough work done on going over point by point as to what the response would be when the best wasn't attainable. Not getting what the goal was and then having to adjust on the fly isn't an ideal way to go about something as complicated and involved as merging CBA's from two groups with contrasting cultures.

Why would anyone settle for the better of the two languages. That would have been SIMPLE.
Why would we want bankrupt language from the twu agreement or language from the IAM agreement that is only one agreement out of bankruptcy that didn’t even satisfy the prior concessions.
Again....the better of the two languages was NOT the goal. It was merely a starting point to see which platform on each article was a better STARTING point

 

[737823]

It's funny how some on the TWU side call the IAM out for not participating in certain things but the relationship was strained from the beginning

What was strained? The IAM came out ahead thanks to Trumka and Jim Little, they would have been off the property and completely irrelevant now.

Why the TWU didn’t laugh this off and collect full dues from everyone is beyond me.

Josh

 

[Racer X]

Yes of course it’s best from the onset to telegraph that you really don’t have the expectations that you originally presented to the Company that you wanted? (Are you really serious)

Have you ever truly “negotiated”?

So far the Association has said that for he most part, the Ta’d articles are better.
The ones still being worked on are just that....still being worked on.

 

[Racer X]

Yeah, it’s WAAAAAY more complicated than the THREE DIFFERENT CBA’s from 3 groups and contrasting cultures that were actually at war with each other.
Very complicated.... B.S.

Quick NY'er run to your safe space... ~but they had 150 days or they go to arbitration~ So F'n what!
They reached an agreement in 4 months and got another pay kicker to boot after the fact.
When you look at our negotiations next to all the others, one of these things is not like the others.

I can’t see us going to an arbitrator. If Traymark is suggesting that for their group, I hope for their sake that they don’t get what he wants. The flight attendants were actually given a worse agreement by the arbitrator then what the company’s offer was.