American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[1AA]

who's fault is that?

i only remember parker saying that the NMB 'has tools' to force both parties to come to a satisfactory outcome.

i don't see that and didn't believe that at that time. i see the company has additional tools only available to corporate america that they are using to deny me, you and our co-workers an industry-leading and timely contract.

if the union fights and this nonsense goes another 2 years...i don't think parker and isom will be sitting in the captains' chairs.

Always go to the core of the problem. In this case it's the financial greed of the TWU and IAM.
Everything else to them is business as usual because the core of the problem is not a problem to them but a financial victory. Everything else after that has been sugarcoated in order to keep the dues flowing. It worked and is still working because we are a bunch of sheep.

 

[dfw gen]

Always go to the core of the problem. In this case it's the financial greed of the TWU and IAM.
Everything else to them is business as usual because the core of the problem is not a problem to them but a financial victory. Everything else after that has been sugarcoated in order to keep the dues flowing. It worked and is still working because we are a bunch of sheep.

They will protect their own interest at all cost. Both the union and the company

 

[swamt]

Well you were dealing with just one union, we are not.
I would love retro but this is likely my last contract so no I don’t want to wait another two years so screw that

I have to disagree. Just because it's your last contract is a BS reason to cave on full retro. We had several guys that are gone within and before the end of this contract we just voted in. By several I mean more than a half dozen. By our union communicating so well with them they were all comfortable enough to support them and all the mechanics that are still remaining beyond their time and the contract. In return the union promised to work diligently on getting even the ones that didn't wait full retro up to their retire dates, and they did. Even mechanics that have passed away within the time frame of this newly nego contract, their families were paid what that mechanic has worked in retro. And that is why we had such a large no vote (96%+). I understand you not wanting to wait, but, if this asso was worthy of getting full retro I would suggest retire anyway. But can't make that suggestion with this asso. in charge.
Still not sure if you guys are going 2 more years, however, if AA keeps playing the exact same playbook as SWA has, it will take 2-2.5 years.

 

[swamt]

Im pretty sure they wont tell us.

Why would they? They haven't told the membership anything about nego's over the past 4 plus years.

 

[swamt]

HAD ENOUGH YET?

There's the quote I've been looking for.
The behind the scenes movement needs to happen. This done past pathetic by a long shot. Just read the update from dale below...

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All the while the membership was lead to believe nego's were taking place for this past week. No info and no mention of anything (and still no mention from the nego cmte) but a note from Dale Loc 514 after the full week. Wow!!! Speaks volumes...

 

[V.O. Reason]

So, Sito continues to shine for his members and it now sounds as though the company and and the IAM are in step.
Boy Samuelson sure screwed the TWU side and our other leaders are scared to death. The IAM benefits the longer this is dragged out.
Well played, IAM!

Well as an IAM member I don’t think I’m benefiting at all.
Despite the insurance cost going up I’m loosing thousands everyday, so not sure how you see it this way

 

[V.O. Reason]

who's fault is that?

i only remember parker saying that the NMB 'has tools' to force both parties to come to a satisfactory outcome.

i don't see that and didn't believe that at that time. i see the company has additional tools only available to corporate america that they are using to deny me, you and our co-workers an industry-leading and timely contract.

if the union fights and this nonsense goes another 2 years...i don't think parker and isom will be sitting in the captains' chairs.

Well screw Parker and Isom if they move on that don’t loose a damn thing. I have a union that is suppose to be looking out for me and here I am still loosing, BS on that

 

[swamt]

who's fault is that?

i only remember parker saying that the NMB 'has tools' to force both parties to come to a satisfactory outcome.

i don't see that and didn't believe that at that time. i see the company has additional tools only available to corporate america that they are using to deny me, you and our co-workers an industry-leading and timely contract.

if the union fights and this nonsense goes another 2 years...i don't think parker and isom will be sitting in the captains' chairs.

I agree. And this asso better not be still sitting there either. Pull the trigger guys. What the hell does it take for Gods sake?? I really do hope there are "behind the scenes movement" happening...

 

[1AA]

Well as an IAM member I don’t think I’m benefiting at all.
Despite the insurance cost going up I’m loosing thousands everyday, so not sure how you see it this way

Because the Title 1 and 2 IAM guys didn't want to sign AMP cards . That tells a story of being satisfied with current representation. I don't know how the ramp guys feel about the IAM.

 

[swamt]

That started when the airline filed for the contempt order.

Like I pointed out with the SWA situation, it seems LAA will also seek a permanent Permanent Injunction in lieu of the actual payment of a contempt fine.

The Associatiion wants to exchange a JCBA for the legal issues to go away, including the probable fine and the permanent Permanent Injunction.

The Company probably wants to turn the fine into the permanent Permanent Injunction.

We're in a staring contest.

There you go again. Wrong.
SWA did not get a perm. injunction, nor did they get a temp. because AMFA followed the judges request after SWA filed and told the membership that they do not condone any kind of job actions. Whereas your dum a$$ asso. did the opposite and made threats to commit harm to AA on video and in writings.
YOU keep comparing the SWA and AA situations, when they really are different but about the same thing. Unlike your asso where a union leader threatened the VP and pres of AA with a job action on video. AA more than likely will win their suit against the asso. and the asso knows this big time as they are begging now for the co. to drop it. The questions at this point is, what will this pathetic asso. cave to in order to get it dropped? It will end up being the membership that endures all the negative of it not IAM or TWU.

 

[NYer]

They are overplaying their hand again. Both the association and the company.

Company has a bigger hand and they're playing with house money.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Well screw Parker and Isom if they move on that don’t loose a damn thing. I have a union that is suppose to be looking out for me and here I am still loosing, BS on that

that's right, they may get more in a severance.

but, why don't they leave now and ride off into the sunset? they don't have enough $$??

because they don't want to. losing their positions/status is motivation.

as far as your union, many here believe your union is looking out for you...by dragging this out.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Always go to the core of the problem. In this case it's the financial greed of the TWU and IAM.

i don't argue that both unions have a bottom line common agenda after getting past mutually exclusive issues.

but, we are going to let the new aa off the hook? they aren't greedy?

the company has already made me feel guilty about getting an additional week VC. $20+ billion in earnings the past 5 years?

 

[AANOTOK]

Well as an IAM member I don’t think I’m benefiting at all.
Despite the insurance cost going up I’m loosing thousands everyday, so not sure how you see it this way

In comparison to the TWU, you are definitely benefiting. Are you still losing, of course, but no where near what the TWU is missing out on...

 

[dfw gen]

Well screw Parker and Isom if they move on that don’t loose a damn thing. I have a union that is suppose to be looking out for me and here I am still loosing, BS on that

Couldn't agree more!