American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[swamt]

the Court abrogated the APA CBA.

Wrong NY'er. The courts DID NOT abrogate the Pilots contract.
conehead is correct.
A judge ruled that AA could abrogate their contract and AA threatened to do so if they did not vote the first one in. Pilots did not fall for it and they voted their first one down. The Judge then recommended that they get back to the table and work it out as that would be better than abrogation of contract. So co. followed the judges recommendation, and the Pilots came out with a much better deal than the first one. The TWU did not. They scared the entire membership into voting for the first one with the very same scare tactics that the co would abrogate.
But what do I know? I'm just a lonely ole SW mechanic, non employee and non member of this asso. so how in the world would I know what is going on over there. Since you are an employee and a member you should know. But thx for proving to Phoenix what I have been telling him for some time.

No they did not the pilots turned there contract down, the judge told the union and company to work more on it the pilots got a better deal

Bankruptcy Judge Voids American Airlines Pilot Contracts

"Judge Sean Lane has given American Airlines approval to reject collective bargaining agreements with the Allied Pilots Association."

You posted it yourself; "Judge Sean Lane has given AA approval to reject CBA with APA." He gave approval he did not abrogate, big difference. The co. chose NOT to pull that trigger. But what do I know???

Or...

"U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane ruled Tuesday that American Airlines can abrogate its collective bargaining agreement with the Allied Pilots Association."

"The judge rejected the APA’s arguments that American hadn’t made its case that it needed to toss out the contract to proceed with its bankruptcy reorganization."

"Section 1113 of the federal bankruptcy code allows companies to throw out its collective bargaining agreements if it meets a number of requirements. The judge ruled that American had met those requirements" --Terry Maxon, Sept 4, 2012

And here ya go again, you posted it. The Judge ruled that AA could abrogate. He did not abrogate.
"Section 1113 of the federal bankruptcy code allows companies to throw out its collective bargaining agreements if it meets a number of requirements." AGAIN "ALLOWS THE COMPANIES"
But what do I know, I'm just a SW mechanic that knows nothing at all that is going on over at AA land...
Thx for playing along today and that closes our daily schooling for now.

 

[NYer]

Wrong NY'er. The courts DID NOT abrogate the Pilots contract.
conehead is correct.
A judge ruled that AA could abrogate their contract and AA threatened to do so if they did not vote the first one in. Pilots did not fall for it and they voted their first one down. The Judge then recommended that they get back to the table and work it out as that would be better than abrogation of contract. So co. followed the judges recommendation, and the Pilots came out with a much better deal than the first one. The TWU did not. They scared the entire membership into voting for the first one with the very same scare tactics that the co would abrogate.
But what do I know? I'm just a lonely ole SW mechanic, non employee and non member of this asso. so how in the world would I know what is going on over there. Since you are an employee and a member you should know. But thx for proving to Phoenix what I have been telling him for some time.




You posted it yourself; "Judge Sean Lane has given AA approval to reject CBA with APA." He gave approval he did not abrogate, big difference. The co. chose NOT to pull that trigger. But what do I know???


And here ya go again, you posted it. The Judge ruled that AA could abrogate. He did not abrogate.
"Section 1113 of the federal bankruptcy code allows companies to throw out its collective bargaining agreements if it meets a number of requirements." AGAIN "ALLOWS THE COMPANIES"
But what do I know, I'm just a SW mechanic that knows nothing at all that is going on over at AA land...
Thx for playing along today and that closes our daily schooling for now.

You guys try really hard when you take the wrong position.

The Judge ruled to abrogate the contract. The fact the Company chose not to do it doesn't take away the ruling and the fact the APA voted down a deal and an abrogation was ruled. The point being made was the APA and some on the Maintenance side of the TWU mistakenly believed the Judge wouldn't time for an abrogation. Which he did.

The merger, not the APA, dictated the change from 20% to 17%, as it created more value Anna made the bigger cuts more difficult to get approved.

 

[1986Mekanic]

Another twu clown cranking up the "scare machine"....

 

[1AA]

You guys try really hard when you take the wrong position.

The Judge ruled to abrogate the contract. The fact the Company chose not to do it doesn't take away the ruling and the fact the APA voted down a deal and an abrogation was ruled. The point being made was the APA and some on the Maintenance side of the TWU mistakenly believed the Judge wouldn't time for an abrogation. Which he did.

The merger, not the APA, dictated the change from 20% to 17%, as it created more value Anna made the bigger cuts more difficult to get approved.

Shouldn't this be on the AA pilots forum?

 

[V.O. Reason]

Shouldn't this be on the AA pilots forum?

Exactly who cares what happened in the past with the pilots.
What we should be concerned over is finding a way to get a vote for an agreement
We are being completely misrepresented by this Ass and they are costing us money day after day but nobody cares about that.
The people who are stealing our dues money are doing nothing for us except posturing while we who are falling further and further behind our peers.
Time is running out and we are tired of this BS

 

[1AA]

Exactly who cares what happened in the past with the pilots.
What we should be concerned over is finding a way to get a vote for an agreement
We are being completely misrepresented by this Ass and they are costing us money day after day but nobody cares about that.
The people who are stealing our dues money are doing nothing for us except posturing while we who are falling further and further behind our peers.
Time is running out and we are tired of this BS

And we all continue to complain, mouth off, talk about changing unions and so on. Year after year after contract after contract. They won't sign cards to the path of stopping this madness. We are a collective bunch of idiots. Thank you, I'll take another up the shorts.

 

[V.O. Reason]

And we all continue to complain, mouth off, talk about changing unions and so on. Year after year after contract after contract. They won't sign cards to the path of stopping this madness. We are a collective bunch of idiots. Thank you, I'll take another up the shorts.

I believe behind the scenes actions are happening to get rid of the Ass but it’s not easy and takes time but my understanding is it going on

 

[Matt1200]

I could care less about the Pilots and Flight Attendants. I have been waiting 40 years for my payday. I have been in 3 unions. Everyone of the stole from me. Promises and promises! The company can mess with me, because they pay me. I been paying unions for 40 years and they screwed me every time!!!!!

 

[_flyonthewall]

No deal.

 

[V.O. Reason]

No deal.

So basically there is no deal there isn’t going to be a deal and we out here in realville must continue to wait until all the future born dues members are protected
So that means at least another year maybe more.
Total BS and unacceptable
It’s time to sue this disastrous ASS for stealing mine and yours dues money for totally misrepresenting us

 

[Fleetoffoot]

No deal.

This is the third Letter I’ve seen from three different locals that is exactly the same wording. So basically they’re telling us were a bunch of two-year-olds and when they feel the time is ready to let you know what’s going on they will let you know and not a minute before. Any local president that would put their name on such a letter should be voted out first chance we get

 

[CremaDiLimone]

No deal.

my take is it that wages/benefits are done/satisfactory, but scope is still the hang-up.

fleet or maintenance? i'm guessing maintenance.

more twu AMTs on payroll since jan. 1 and more hiring to be done in tul. the assoc. is still saying 6 months from now, 18 months from now...has to be scope.

 

[swamt]

You guys try really hard when you take the wrong position.

The Judge ruled to abrogate the contract. The fact the Company chose not to do it doesn't take away the ruling and the fact the APA voted down a deal and an abrogation was ruled. The point being made was the APA and some on the Maintenance side of the TWU mistakenly believed the Judge wouldn't time for an abrogation. Which he did.

The merger, not the APA, dictated the change from 20% to 17%, as it created more value Anna made the bigger cuts more difficult to get approved.

Go back and re-read your own postings. Man you are just as easy as the other one.
BTW the judge would have made the same suggestion to the TWU too. Like he said to the APA and the co. "It would better for all parties to return to the table and work it out instead of abrogating the contracts." A quote from Judge Sean Lane directly to the co. and TWU. And again the Judge only ruled that AA could abrogate he did not abrogate the contracts. End of story. Quit trying to keep the misinformation going as you are wrong. You definitely on a mission.

 

[swamt]

Another twu clown cranking up the "scare machine"....

Shouldn't this be on the AA pilots forum?

You guys are right. I am done with him on this subject about Pilots.
Sorry about that, but it was helpful to prove a point.

 

[swamt]

Four votes, four contracts.
Mechanic and related
Fleet
Stores
Maintenance Instructors.

NMB is always suggesting a vote. That's their primary goal.

So where's this vote on Tues. that some on here were claiming was happening today on rather to go ahead and bring out the last offer for vote? From the Pres. update below they are still not close to bring anything out. As he states himself and as I have also already said, it would be suicidal to bring something out with wide open language and too many items still open. Therefore there will be no vote to bring something out. It's time you two fire your "fly" on the wall or at least swat him with the fly swatter, he's done, stick a fork in him.

I believe behind the scenes actions are happening to get rid of the Ass but it’s not easy and takes time but my understanding is it going on

No deal.