American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

Samuelsen has zero effect on any BOD decision zero

no..

i'm talking about turning up the fire on water that is almost on the boil. going to the investment banks, the analysts...who are already at a loss to defend aa's share price/valuation to their largest clients.

that has an effect on the BOD.

 

[AANOTOK]

You do realize we’ve already lost one pension to termination?

And you do realize that the IAMNPF contribution and you 401k match is equal for a topped out person?

And you get 5.5% on ALL hours worked, we only get it on 40 hours.

And I’d like some of the $921 million AA contributed to your frozen pension this year so far.

I'd like some of that cheap ass medical cost refund you have been enjoying and will continue to enjoy.
I would have liked you and your leadership to have joined us on the picket line when called upon.
I would like you guys to show up at a State of the Airline or town hall and voice your displeasure.
Not have a CC show up and say how great Parker is... Deal!

 

[CremaDiLimone]

We work majority of the RJs here at LGA i dont pretend to know much about CASM ,revenue margins and all that good stuff but for someone whos in there 42nd year i can tell you we have an a lot more employees that includes managment and rank and file than ive ever seen.An absolute ridiculous amount

i agree, the same in my station..

but, that is not the main reason aa's margins are behind dl and united.

united works it's RJs in int's hubs and that would mean thousands of more fleet jobs if parker got what he wanted; "i'll sign united's contract".

the world's most profitable route is a british jfk-lhr. just in time for aa to pull out of jfk and let delta pick up our former premium passengers.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

You didnt lose anything (a percentage) of what you already accumulated did you?. Our plan that went to the pbgc we could actually lose a percentage .like an insurance company not giving you full value of a nee car you just totaled

the problem here is that most couldn't accure more, while some, really didn't lose much.

again, us air - delta - continental - united...all filed and terminated years before aa. what does that say about aa, from mid 80s-2011?

i know what it tells me. it tells me that the america west way, isn't the best way.

 

[NYer]

At least our union fights for the members. Your current and previous unions just cave all the time. When does it stop with your unions, present and past??

AMFA is facing a crippling fine and if the airline gets a permanent Permanent Injunction, then this may have been their last fight.

Your corner man did a bad job in protecting the fighter, letting him get hit over and over.

The outcome with that legal case could also negatively impact current legal issues with the Association, as well.

 

[Phoenix757767]

Ok so do the math.

AA: 401k and frozen pension.

USAIR: PBGC, IAMPF and 401k most likely in JCBA.

401k terms TBD on outcome of JCBA. If the USAIR guys get a 401k match or contribution and keep IAMPF contributions then the IAM is the clear winner.

IAM- 3
TWU- 2, we lose.
Not blaming individuals here just pointing out what I see if it turns out in a JCBA. I blame the association especially the TWU for whimping out to the smaller IAM and the association for selling out its members on representation.
Who ever comes out on top should take advantage. The real blame is the dysfunctional association.

There is no match for the LUS 401k. We can’t collect the terminated pension until we leave the industry. I have 30 years, my terminated pension is for 17 years. How many years is your frozen pension for?

And you get the contribution on ALL hours including OT. We get the IAMNPF on 40 hours.

You can’t blame us for you going into bankruptcy last.

Give me some of your equity and the $921 million AA put in your frozen pension with them still owing over $1 billion to it.

 

[dfw gen]

There is no match for the LUS 401k. We can’t collect the terminated pension until we leave the industry. I have 30 years, my terminated pension is for 17 years. How many years is your frozen pension for?

And you get the contribution on ALL hours including OT. We get the IAMNPF on 40 hours.

You can’t blame us for you going into bankruptcy last.

Give me some of your equity and the $921 million AA put in your frozen pension with them still owing over $1 billion to it.

kinda sux you went to work at a second rate regional airline. but hey dont worry we are racing to the bottom as we speak!

 

[Phoenix757767]

kinda sux you went to work at a second rate regional airline. but hey dont worry we are racing to the bottom as we speak!

Ok fake news.

Funny why did the creditors want US instead of standalone AA?

And they paid Horton $20 million to leave?

 

[dfw gen]

AMFA is facing a crippling fine and if the airline gets a permanent Permanent Injunction, then this may have been their last fight.

Your corner man did a bad job in protecting the fighter, letting him get hit over and over.

The outcome with that legal case could also negatively impact current legal issues with the Association, as well.

and our "corner man" did any better? jeez dude sometimes you have good things to add and other times i think you and alex drink out of the same koolaid straw. i dont think anything southwest did can impact us any more then what our leadership has self inflicted on themselves

 

[dfw gen]

Ok fake news.

Funny why did the creditors want US instead of standalone AA?

And they paid Horton $20 million to leave?

because the pilots and flight attendants were on board and thought they hated horten more the parker and isom. now look at the mess.

 

[NYer]

and our "corner man" did any better? jeez dude sometimes you have good things to add and other times i think you and alex drink out of the same koolaid straw. i dont think anything southwest did can impact us any more then what our leadership has self inflicted on themselves

Of course it impacts us. It's in court, plaintiffs continually use other decisions to make their case stronger.

SWA took their union to court for similar circumstances as the Association (as well as the Atlas Air case).

SWA is looking for a payout of $20M.

LAA is also looking for a payout and if SWA gets the $20M decision then LAA will get a bigger one.

On top of that, in an unprecedented move, SWA is also looking for something that would have an immediate consequence for any other job action in the future. If they get that, just like the Taylor Law in NY hinders transit, it will restrict Labor even further under the Railway Labor Act. They seek a permanent Permanent Injunction.

That would mean the airline could go to court to get fines placed on the unions without having to go through the process of getting a TRO and move up from there.

BTW. In the Atlas Air case, the union lost their appeal on their job action. That will also affect any appeals by the Association.

 

[dfw gen]

the twu was a non factor in the choice to be taken over by america west. its very clear that jim little and don videvitch had no idea what they were doing and were way over their head. but that is the way of the twu the membership has no voice or input in international affairs. fortunately for you guys alex appears to be as submissive as jim little so the iam should come out in good shape!

 

[Phoenix757767]

Court cases are only precedent at the appeals level, not the district level.

 

[NYer]

Court cases are only precedent at the appeals level, not the district level.

Not so. Read the Court documents where many cases were cited. The Appeals decision is cited if it overturns a lower Court decision.

 

[Phoenix757767]

Not so. Read the Court documents where many cases were cited. The Appeals decision is cited if it overturns a lower Court decision.

They can site them, but they aren’t precedent setting until after they are appealed and a decision rendered.