Oh no. Parker says that we will never lose money again. If Parker said it then it's true.
American Airlines and Labor Negotiations
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the emperors still have no clothes on.
1986Mekanic
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I would not get my hopes up for any resolution.
If they were scheduling round the clock, I'd say maybe something comes from it but 9-5 .. coffee, donuts, lunch, see ya in a few months.
If they were scheduling round the clock, I'd say maybe something comes from it but 9-5 .. coffee, donuts, lunch, see ya in a few months.
V.O. Reason
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I did read in an interview today of Isom that he may have telegraphed that something is going to get done with the unions when he was talking about our very poor performance over the summer so it could be this thing is about to break but I’m not ready to believe anything just yet
1986Mekanic
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I call BS... it's been both their strategy all along.
It is beyond me why you guys do not post the actual asso release about this news. Just one guy posting "just announced" WTF?? Here's the related news from the asso.:
TWU-IAM Association Contract Talks with American to Resume
September 4, 2019
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WASHINGTON, Sept. 4, 2019 — The TWU-IAM Association today announced that mediation for negotiations in the American Airlines/TWU-IAM Association contract talks will restart on Monday, Sept. 16, at 1 p.m. ET and continue through Thursday, Sept. 19. The sessions will be held in Washington, D.C. at the National Mediation Board (NMB).
Association principals Sito Pantoja, Director (IAM General Vice President) and Alex Garcia, Vice Director (TWU International Executive Vice President) met with the NMB on Thursday, Aug. 29 to outline the Association’s views on negotiations and to insist that negotiations resume.
“Our meeting with the NMB was positive and we are optimistic that resumption of negotiations will be productive,” said TWU-IAM Association Director Sito Pantoja. “It’s now time for the company to keep its word and give our members the industry-leading contract they promised. I thank our members for their incredible patience during this process.”
“The delays in this process have been frustrating for our members but they have remained fully supportive of the Association,” said TWU-IAM Association Vice Director Alex Garcia. “We will use this opportunity to finally close these negotiations, if American Airlines is a willing partner.”
PDF version: Association-PR
As some have already posted fellas, DO NOT expect much after these three days. Just don't get your hopes up. We did several times within our nego's and were disappointed every single time until one man finally came in and got it done for us. Thank you KK...
It is beyond me why you guys do not post the actual asso release about this news. Just one guy posting "just announced" WTF?? Here's the related news from the asso.:
TWU-IAM Association Contract Talks with American to Resume
September 4, 2019
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WASHINGTON, Sept. 4, 2019 — The TWU-IAM Association today announced that mediation for negotiations in the American Airlines/TWU-IAM Association contract talks will restart on Monday, Sept. 16, at 1 p.m. ET and continue through Thursday, Sept. 19. The sessions will be held in Washington, D.C. at the National Mediation Board (NMB).
Association principals Sito Pantoja, Director (IAM General Vice President) and Alex Garcia, Vice Director (TWU International Executive Vice President) met with the NMB on Thursday, Aug. 29 to outline the Association’s views on negotiations and to insist that negotiations resume.
“Our meeting with the NMB was positive and we are optimistic that resumption of negotiations will be productive,” said TWU-IAM Association Director Sito Pantoja. “It’s now time for the company to keep its word and give our members the industry-leading contract they promised. I thank our members for their incredible patience during this process.”
“The delays in this process have been frustrating for our members but they have remained fully supportive of the Association,” said TWU-IAM Association Vice Director Alex Garcia. “We will use this opportunity to finally close these negotiations, if American Airlines is a willing partner.”
PDF version: Association-PR
As some have already posted fellas, DO NOT expect much after these three days. Just don't get your hopes up. We did several times within our nego's and were disappointed every single time until one man finally came in and got it done for us. Thank you KK...
so far its been the strategy. especially for the iam. i take that back the initial strategy was to do nothing, then the iam switched strategies and just went with no.
Tim Nelson
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The legal matter will definitely resolve this. So, this morning, the union person (someone who is well known and I've learned to like. Not an asshole like some of the others) called me and said he thinks this will be wrapped up before Thanksgiving.
Of course, he said that any contempt or fines have nothing to do with it, and I think he believes that. He claimed that solidarity and Samuelson were the sole reasons why the company is meeting and that the company is on its knees, due to the stockholders wanting parker to fix this.
Of course, I'm just hopeful for a vote, so who cares if he wants to give Samuelson credit. If Samuelson gets credit, then I'm down with that or Sito.
He thinks that the offer will be enhanced along scope with a few more stations included in the scope. We talked about RSW for much of the call.
I think he thinks I'm in with the company, but I'm not. Told him that the overall contract cost will not increase, other than the delta + 3 which the company is committed to fleet on.
When he disputed the value of the station and status protections, I knew that the union isn't committed to the protections for the junior people, in fact, they have publicly denounced the protections as meaningless. In truth, the protections have a value of $14 million a year built into the proposal. So I can see the union proposing to water that down to no layoff language, and shift the core of that value to a few more stations under scope.
Although that would put the union agenda above the interest of the junior agents, I think the union will pull it off since junior agents and most fleet are just too damn ignorant to understand station protection and status protection. As far as Parker, he could probably live with that since the union will give him more flexibility to lay people off in economic downturns.
More scope and Less protection. The union will spin the extra few stations and save face, which is certainly ok with me. But in any economic downturn, junior people will be gone. In fact, immediately after any TA without protections gets signed, there will be movement and layoffs. But junior people couldn't understand the protections offered.
Dunno, certainly all just my opinion.
Corrections in red for clarification.
Fleetoffoot
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The truth of the matter is we will get a contract when Sito says so. However the IAM will get another year of their medical which was a sticking point with him. Does anybody know what the cap on the TWU medical is? Rumors are saying it’s going up to 16% but I’m pretty sure we have a cap that’s much lower than that.
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