American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

union gained leverage yesterday.
Interesting.

 

[Tim Nelson]

the max groundings hurt aa more because of the loss of premium pax. southwest has no first class.

yet, the company's LCC philosophy of ignoring the premium pax while touting it's 'premium economy' class and an over-reliance on RJ flying, cuts right into revenues.

delta knows that 1 premium passenger can generate the revenue of 7-8 economy pax.

as the pilot & f/a unions tell the company, look in the mirror.

a few months ago in my station, an lax flight cubed out, 45 bags left behind. ord-lax all airbus & 737. we have a daily 787 ord-cun. enough said.

I liked Kirbys philosophy of not tossing empty seats out into the market cheaply at the last minute.
Seems as if Isom is the opposite, with first class. He has made it so easy to pay a slight upgrade fee at the gate that alot of premium passengers are just waiting for the upgrade at the gate instead of sinking $$$ for first class ahead of time.

 

[V.O. Reason]

Oh great yet another month of waiting for nothing to happen.
I’m so sick of this crap.
This will just delay everything into next year once any decision by the court is made.
So I call this a big win for the union leaders since this is just what they wanted more delays to try and get more dues members on the property.
For the TWU guys I feel for you as you must continue working under your crap bankrupt contract

 

[Tim Nelson]

Oh great yet another month of waiting for nothing to happen.
I’m so sick of this crap.
This will just delay everything into next year once any decision by the court is made.
So I call this a big win for the union leaders since this is just what they wanted more delays to try and get more dues members on the property.
For the TWU guys I feel for you as you must continue working under your crap bankrupt contract

It would be nice to schedule negotiation dates instead of court dates, but that all went by the wayside when Sameulsons flipped out in his Barbie tantrum at the town hall.

Weez took a picture of him a week earlier in MIA and I wonder if Weez' whacko Sybil stuff had a negative affect on Samuelsons to cause his bi polar weez moment

 

[NYer]

So much for this opinion....
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And how did you determine that? You're a little premature.

 

[NYer]

Let's not forget this one either...
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Your lack of patience is pretty high.

 

[Kev3188]

the other day, a co-worker's 2 kids couldn't get back from yyz and cvg. both flights cancelled.

both american eagle.

It's anecdotal, but we (DL) take reaccom pax from AE almost daily.

We also made some pretty good $$$ deicing Eagle over the winter, and doing the occasional pushback for them.

We have a daily 787 ord-cun. enough said.

Saw that when I was down there!

I liked Kirbys philosophy of not tossing empty seats out into the market cheaply at the last minute.
Seems as if Isom is the opposite, with first class. He has made it so easy to pay a slight upgrade fee at the gate that alot of premium passengers are just waiting for the upgrade at the gate instead of sinking $$$ for first class ahead of time.

Losing Kirby is starting to seem like more and more of a loss for you guys.

 

[NYer]

Never mentioned in the article posted. I guess they threw in all the delays for the canceled overnight checks and weather cancellations and MAX fleet grounding cancellations. BTW, we are in summer season and every metal needs to be in the air. So any delay or cancellation operating at peak levels is compounded to downline delays and cancellations due to crew duty times. That's our fault too.
I wonder if the company was able too and decided not too for the sake of proving their case in court to hold off on aircraft retirements. Peak summer season and no MAX aircraft in the summer schedule as well as the usual schedule interruptions from weather, maintenance and crew duty times. I'm sure some of those aircraft just recently taken off line are still available and some are not. You can't run a full summer schedule being thin on aircraft and tight crew schedules. Too many uncontrollable factors arise daily.

Actually, no.

They're arguments stemmed from MEL's not being cleared until their time ran out and then used to ground planes from overnights which delayed or cancelled flights in the morning which had a cascading affect throughout the day.

For the MAX they argued that since there were 24 planes taken out of service the normal maintenance hours should mean they would have caused less delayed maintenance rather than more.

 

[NYer]

Oh great yet another month of waiting for nothing to happen.
I’m so sick of this crap.
This will just delay everything into next year once any decision by the court is made.
So I call this a big win for the union leaders since this is just what they wanted more delays to try and get more dues members on the property.
For the TWU guys I feel for you as you must continue working under your crap bankrupt contract

There is no delay. This is normal in bench cases. They typically call for up to 30 days because they need to have a written decision not just a hit of the gavel.

 

[NYer]

union gained leverage yesterday.
Interesting.

Hardly. There still in the same hole ridden boat trying to get to shore before it sinks.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hardly. There still in the same hole ridden boat trying to get to shore before it sinks.

they seem to be finally paddling hard to get to shore. At least the association attorneys knocked off weez and Charlie Brown and others from their continuing to 'spill the beans' on any alleged concerted activity.
Charlie Brown got spanked by me in legal documents regarding the DOL, so i guess he just doesn't listen and thinks he can say any ole flimsy thing. He is his own worst enemy. Dude even mocked an injunction. Geez.
Seems as if the attorneys are trying to get the company to fire employees that it thinks are involved in coaching or an accomplice of concerted activity.

 

[Buck]

Jim Little was said to be too soft with no backbone.

John Samuelson comes as the antithesis of that.

Both groups have difficulties because of the restrictions placed on us due to the Railway Labor Act, a fact most want to ignore.

What restrictions does the RLA place on Fleet Service?

 

[Buck]

My prediction is this, :

The union will get broke by the judge. We will be forced to accept the concessionary deal. Title 2 will get thrown out the window. The mechanics will decertify the Ass.

Then we will all retire.

As a 30-year supporter for replacing the TWU for various reasons, these activities are for those younger employees beginning their careers.

 

[NYer]

What restrictions does the RLA place on Fleet Service?

Same as everyone else, the inability to seek self help unless allowed to do so by the NMB.

 

[NYer]

Seems as if the attorneys are trying to get the company to fire employees that it thinks are involved in coaching or an accomplice of concerted activity.

It's their attempt to get this to be determined as a "minor" dispute, rather than the current "major" dispute.

Minor = contractual remedy (i.e.- grievance arbitration)
Major = Federal remedy (i.e.-NMB, Court)