American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[NYer]

If this dose not get mechanics to sign cards I don’t no what will.twu lawyer Mark Richard is why I have signed in every card drive. Because you see how twu blames us mechanics. Instead of fighting for there members. Hey mark go screw your self I want to see you defend Samuelson bloody remarks. Let’s all sign cards and let’s get AMFA they filed a counter suit and didn’t throw members under a bus. I guess that’s fitting since the twu is a bus driver union.lets get a maintenance union that looks out for us. Peterson you didn’t do **** but throw mechanics under a bus to. So screw you to and all you twu/iam what a joke of a association y’all had a lot of defensive options but choice to blame mechanics shame on you .

Better hurry up. The NMB is changing the process to decertify so your window of opportunity is closing.

 

[1AA]

If this dose not get mechanics to sign cards I don’t no what will.twu lawyer Mark Richard is why I have signed in every card drive. Because you see how twu blames us mechanics. Instead of fighting for there members. Hey mark go screw your self I want to see you defend Samuelson bloody remarks. Let’s all sign cards and let’s get AMFA they filed a counter suit and didn’t throw members under a bus. I guess that’s fitting since the twu is a bus driver union.lets get a maintenance union that looks out for us. Peterson you didn’t do **** but throw mechanics under a bus to. So screw you to and all you twu/iam what a joke of a association y’all had a lot of defensive options but choice to blame mechanics shame on you .

Which mechanics? The TWU side or IAM side? From what I read it's all IAM that created this TRO. CLT and PHX are the stations mentioned. Now they wake up and look what happens? So if the judge should impose a fine which union should pay up? The IAM never engaged in the past along with the TWU in pickets, full page informational ads and other forms of union peaceful protests. The IAM leadership is non existent and now the TWU is taking the hit for this. Another example on how we are so divided and it starts right at the top. Can't blame the membership since we have no real direction.

 

[1AA]

If this dose not get mechanics to sign cards I don’t no what will.twu lawyer Mark Richard is why I have signed in every card drive. Because you see how twu blames us mechanics. Instead of fighting for there

Better hurry up. The NMB is changing the process to decertify so you're window of opportunity is closing.

https://www.fordharrison.com/airlin...-rule-to-simplify-the-decertification-process

 

[NYer]

Which mechanics? The TWU side or IAM side? From what I read it's all IAM that created this TRO. CLT and PHL are the stations mentioned. Now they wake up and look what happens? So if the judge should impose a fine which union should pay up? The IAM never engaged in the past along with the TWU in pickets, full page informational ads and other forms of union peaceful protests. The IAM leadership is non existent and now the TWU is taking the hit for this. Another example on how we are so divided and it starts right at the top. Can't blame the membership since we have no real direction.

The evidence introduced in the trial points towards the higher level of delays in TWU hubs, like DFW, ORD and MIA.

 

[1AA]

The evidence introduced in the trial points towards the higher level of delays in TWU hubs, like DFW, ORD and MIA.

Never mentioned in the article posted. I guess they threw in all the delays for the canceled overnight checks and weather cancellations and MAX fleet grounding cancellations. BTW, we are in summer season and every metal needs to be in the air. So any delay or cancellation operating at peak levels is compounded to downline delays and cancellations due to crew duty times. That's our fault too.
I wonder if the company was able too and decided not too for the sake of proving their case in court to hold off on aircraft retirements. Peak summer season and no MAX aircraft in the summer schedule as well as the usual schedule interruptions from weather, maintenance and crew duty times. I'm sure some of those aircraft just recently taken off line are still available and some are not. You can't run a full summer schedule being thin on aircraft and tight crew schedules. Too many uncontrollable factors arise daily.

 

[1986Mekanic]

So much for this opinion....
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The fact the Association have their backs against the wall, they will probably lose the case against them on Monday and that the alleged slowdown has actually gotten worse. The last part would lead to a Permanent Injunction Order.

Under that, any further violations could lead to financial repercussions.

Best way for all that to go away? A JCBA.

 

[1986Mekanic]

Let's not forget this one either...
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Few more weeks, not years.

 

[1986Mekanic]

Looks like its going to get easier to decertify....Yea!!!!

The NMB’s Proposed Rule Change: The NMB asserts the straw man requirement has no statutory basis, and as such, the NMB seeks to eliminate this unnecessary hurdle in the decertification process. The NMB proposes a process by which employees who wish to decertify an incumbent union would submit authorization cards indicating an intent to no longer be represented by the current union. The “showing of interest” requirement for decertification applications would be the same as that for applications seeking union representation, which is set at 50 percent of the employees eligible to vote in the craft or class (per amendments to the RLA passed by Congress in 2012). If the showing of interest is determined to be valid and sufficient, the NMB would authorize an election with the following ballot options: (1) the incumbent; (2) no representative; and (3) a write-in option. The NMB will thereafter require a majority vote for decertification in order to effectively decertify the craft or class. Additionally, the NMB proposes extending the two-year bar on accepting applications seeking the NMB to investigate a representation dispute to decertifications as well as certifications. This means that, if the “no representative” option receives a majority of the votes, and the incumbent union is decertified, the NMB will not accept any future applications from any organization or individual seeking to represent the craft or class for a two-year period from the date of the decertification.
https://www.fordharrison.com/airlin...-rule-to-simplify-the-decertification-process

 

[1986Mekanic]

My prediction is this, :

The union will get broke by the judge. We will be forced to accept the concessionary deal. Title 2 will get thrown out the window. The mechanics will decertify the Ass.

Then we will all retire.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

delta upped their q2 revenue guidance by 2% at the low-end. cheaper fuel and 2 successful fare hikes in the quarter.

aa has issues specific to aa: labor and 737max, but aa also benefited from cheaper fuel and the 2 successful fare hikes.

company can't cry poor, even as it spins it's wheels.

tired of the 'economy is falling' arguments, 'we better get a deal tomorrow'. people working 40 years for an airline, have no clue about the industry they work in.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

The evidence introduced in the trial points towards the higher level of delays in TWU hubs, like DFW, ORD and MIA.

the other day, a co-worker's 2 kids couldn't get back from yyz and cvg. both flights cancelled.

both american eagle.

cvg came back on southwest.

as the pilot and f/a unions have told the company, look in the mirror.

 

[AANOTOK]

Gotta love the Associations latest update headline.

"Association defends members in Court"

How about "Association defends leadership in Court, throws members under the bus".

Having Peterson speak and defend anyone in court is a surefire way of having the Ass lose the case.

 

[UPNAWAY]

delta upped their q2 revenue guidance by 2% at the low-end. cheaper fuel and 2 successful fare hikes in the quarter.

aa has issues specific to aa: labor and 737max, but aa also benefited from cheaper fuel and the 2 successful fare hikes.

company can't cry poor, even as it spins it's wheels.

tired of the 'economy is falling' arguments, 'we better get a deal tomorrow'. people working 40 years for an airline, have no clue about the industry they work in.

The company hasn't cried poor at all, but they obviously cannot have MX costing 40-50% more than DL or UA or SWA. And that's what your pie in the sky best line by line does.

 

[1AA]

Gotta love the Associations latest update headline.

"Association defends members in Court"

How about "Association defends leadership in Court, throws members under the bus".

Having Peterson speak and defend anyone in court is a surefire way of having the Ass lose the case.

And they kept the big mouth Samuelson at bay. Thank goodness.

Having GP testify is no better.
We will just wait and see for the verdict. In the meantime TRO stands, no surprise there.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

The company hasn't cried poor at all, but they obviously cannot have MX costing 40-50% more than DL or UA or SWA. And that's what your pie in the sky best line by line does.

the max groundings hurt aa more because of the loss of premium pax. southwest has no first class.

yet, the company's LCC philosophy of ignoring the premium pax while touting it's 'premium economy' class and an over-reliance on RJ flying, cuts right into revenues.

delta knows that 1 premium passenger can generate the revenue of 7-8 economy pax.

as the pilot & f/a unions tell the company, look in the mirror.

a few months ago in my station, an lax flight cubed out, 45 bags left behind. ord-lax all airbus & 737. we have a daily 787 ord-cun. enough said.