American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

Here’s one of those many obscene amount of “Watchers” that the Company hires that we can’t get to stay the hell off our gate and stop annoying us. His name is Carlos. He’s a freakin nervous wreck.

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Yeah go easy company puts the fear of god into into them over delays.As long as hes respectful and civil

 

[WeAAsles]

Its been building and witnessing incompetence every day has me turn.why are you suprised i told you it was personal its still about me.I have alot of other peeves but i dont want to get anyone in trouble.

Like I said. I’m sure you can understand my skepticism. But if you have turned then I’ll welcome you aboard.

Yeah go easy company puts the fear of god into into them over delays.As long as hes respectful and civil

I have nothing personal against any of them actually. I don’t think of any of them as my Bosses so that makes it easy.

I actually feel sorry for Carlos. A few years back his appendix burst and he had to have an emergency appendectomy. He was back to work 3 days after the surgery. He could barely walk, he was shaking and sweaty. I had to force him to sit down.

I know how scared many of them are about their job. Just told two of them yesterday, “If you don’t bother us, we have no reason to bother you”

 

[robbedagain]

Here’s one of those many obscene amount of “Watchers” that the Company hires that we can’t get to stay the hell off our gate and stop annoying us. His name is Carlos. He’s a freakin nervous wreck.

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Sounds like DCA except only time those porkies come close to the plane is if there is an issue or damage

 

[JREwing]

I love how everyone on this site whast to come across as being SO SMART and EDUCATED. Please tell me what you did with the money your parents spent on a college degree. The Fact is we are Labor Workers. When it Comes contracts. SMART people hire Lawyers and Accountants to do that work for them. So WeAAsle my BOY, stick to loading bags. 21,377 post on this BB only shows you have no life. Wake up people. Dont stay stuck on Stupid. As long a GP and the rest of the Idiots are in charge of this ASS. We will always take it in the ASS. Hey that was pretty good.

You make great points. However if you're going to reference being educated, please have someone with a background in english-101 either proof read your posts or simply dictate them.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

What you don’t understand is that it’s not about whether or not the language exists in our Contracts which of course we know it will. It’s about the language that states how the Company can “apply” Force Majeur.

9/11/2001 was the perfect example of where it was correctly applied.

Outside of this “Protection Language” the Company intends to apply layoffs and overages are a natural course of doing business.

Only an absolute complete fool is going to believe ANY Company would willingly tie their own hands legally from not being able to apply adjustments to their staffing as needed.

While clear and concise language is preferable over that which is vague and/or ambiguous it is no guarantee a company still wont make the attempt and simply let the union grieve it.

Your cited Force Majeure case involving SARS at NWA is a perfect example -

NWA laid off thousands of mechanics, just like all the other airlines, citing the Iraq war. NWA then tried to add another 150 or so mechanics to that list citing SARS.

AMFA took both layoffs to arbitration - they lost the Iraq war Force Majeure, but won the SARS portion, and those 150 or so mechanics came back.


By all means, strive for the best language you can get, but dont for an instance believe it'll stop the company from trying to stretch things if they think they can get away with it.

Pilots, who arguably have had better language than most mechanic agreements also were laid off at NWA when they tried citing SARS Force Majeure.

 

[Kev3188]

Nice to see you back, TSH!

With regard to SARS, you're correct. It also would've likely been worse had NW not already had narrow body planes based in Asia as part of our Interport flying. For many routes, we simply downgauged equipment from a wide body to a '57 or A320. And even then, some flights were going with only a handful of pax.

 

[WeAAsles]

While clear and concise language is preferable over that which is vague and/or ambiguous it is no guarantee a company still wont make the attempt and simply let the union grieve it.

Your cited Force Majeure case involving SARS at NWA is a perfect example -

NWA laid off thousands of mechanics, just like all the other airlines, citing the Iraq war. NWA then tried to add another 150 or so mechanics to that list citing SARS.

AMFA took both layoffs to arbitration - they lost the Iraq war Force Majeure, but won the SARS portion, and those 150 or so mechanics came back.


By all means, strive for the best language you can get, but dont for an instance believe it'll stop the company from trying to stretch things if they think they can get away with it.

Pilots, who arguably have had better language than most mechanic agreements also were laid off at NWA when they tried citing SARS Force Majeure.

Thanks for the response. Like I’ve said. I think our Association is just asking for more clear and secure language than so far the Company wants to offer.

They want the weaker, younger language to survive over the stronger, older language.

 

[WeAAsles]

http://www.usaamerger.com/2019/05/2...on-thanks-union-affiliates-for-their-support/

 

[swamt]

on jetnet...thread the company made. comparing what the assoc. wants, what the company proposes.

i've been talking about that on jetnet and in here, i guess i talk to myself? you should have challenged me immediately..it's on jetnet.

So why isn't the asso. putting these comparos out? Why are they being so tight lipped??

 

[swamt]

The current offer for Fleet is 3% above the last known Delta rate and 2% per year on a 5 year deal with no industry resets.

For Maintenance that can be compared it sounds like the Company is willing to match the newly inked SWA wages with also 2% per year on a 5 year deal with no industry resets.

And if you are on any of the single LUS plans I can understand why you would have no issue with your Medical rates rising as your wages (Particularly if you’re an AMT) will more than offset that cost difference.

If you’re under the Family plans the rates to go LAA become substantially more.

And to reiterate the bigger issue on the Medical is regarding the Company’s refusal to allow the Association to be able to audit the Medical expenditures and Cap some of those costs if they go up.

With the Company having a free pass on that Medical it’s very easy for them to put in one pocket while taking out of the other.

If AA and or asso. gets that deal for the mechanics it WILL NOT be industry leading. Bringing the AA mechanics up to SWA pay rates, then only getting 2% for each year there after would put the AA guys 5% behind SWA rates at the end of the contract and that's NOT industry leading.

 

[Rogallo]

So why isn't the asso. putting these comparos out? Why are they being so tight lipped??

Maybe they just ain't quite prepared yet??

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Maybe they just ain't quite prepared yet??

I`ve heard its coming out "this weekend".🙄🙄

 

[dfw gen]

I`ve heard its coming out "this weekend".🙄🙄

I wouldnt count on it. For some reason they dont want the membership to know. I think they prefer we hear it from the company

 

[Buck]

You make great points. However if you're going to reference being educated, please have someone with a background in english-101 either proof read your posts or simply dictate them.

Take a look at Grammarly App at Grammarly.com

 

[Deleted member 14439]

I wouldnt count on it. For some reason they dont want the membership to know. I think they prefer we hear it from the company

At this point the company has given me much more reason to believe them instead of the union. The association has ZERO credibility.