American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Your remarks are hard to dispute. It's like a Mexican standoff at this point. I would think the unions would avoid arbitration, as there is too much to lose. Unfortunate that this is headed down a bad road, with no creative ideas being put forward to at least have constructive negotiations.

the problem for the union is that they will be forced into arbitration unless they get a ratification.
regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

There is no creativity at all. If mgmt had ideas they would have spread them on jetnet. The unions are defending against the company proposals. Not a lot of creativity.

+1

 

[WeAAsles]

There is no creativity at all. If mgmt had ideas they would have spread them on jetnet. The unions are defending against the company proposals. Not a lot of creativity.

Management wouldn’t be looking to be creative and seek compromise. They would be looking at the contracts as a long term strategy to keep or bring their Labor costs down overall.

The Association has made their own proposals starting back in December of 2015 and today most of the language is completed. We’re just now on the BIG ticket items of Scope, Wages, Benefits and Retirement.

The Association will of course not put out publicly where they stand on some of those items because then we would wind up negotiating against ourselves. (Something we kind of do on here already)

 

[Tim Nelson]

tim you have a rough road ahead of you, because the majority of your group is happy. Heck the average of our group is happy. so, if the average of our group is happy, and the majority of your group is happy, managements' next move is to wait for arbitration. After arbitration, you'll have all the cards you need without much interference as anyone of importance fighting you, are on their yachts.
main issues
1. iampf
2. iam healthcare for political purposes
3. union dues
4. Doug already said no to 2. and given the members a choice on 1. He's not going to change.
5. scope. the twu intl will cave on this for 3.
6. iam will cave on 5, for 1 and 3.
so the contract being offered now, is final, which won't be put out, because its not putting the intls first. Final contract put out will be more outsourcing and part time for 3, and intls first.

you summed it up pretty well.
I think the chance of all that happening is pretty good.
Once there is a jcba and the lus mx get their medical knifed by sito, amp will really pick up, if not before.

Weez' claim that we need to strike was so juvenile i had to put him on ignore a couple weeks ago.

regards,

 

[B737 driver]

you summed it up pretty well.
I think the chance of all that happening is pretty good.
Once there is a jcba and the lus mx get their medical knifed by sito, amp will really pick up, if not before.

Weez' claim that we need to strike was so juvenile i had to put him on ignore a couple weeks ago.

regards,

If you guys couldn't get enough interest with the American bankruptcy contract and USair knowing that their pension and medical will change with a JCBA to change unions, doesn't sound like it will ever change. It's like Metal said No one is angry enough. With the games the company is playing , you guys are probably about 2 years from getting a T/A to vote on, and maybe pass. The mediator won't release you, you're big to strike. I wish you guys luck. It sucks when it is a long road. I will say this for the TWU guys it's been a longer road than SWA;, you have been on this road since 2003.

 

[Bin Stretcher]

If you guys couldn't get enough interest with the American bankruptcy contract and USair knowing that their pension and medical will change with a JCBA to change unions, doesn't sound like it will ever change. It's like Metal said No one is angry enough. With the games the company is playing , you guys are probably about 2 years from getting a T/A to vote on, and maybe pass. The mediator won't release you, you're big to strike. I wish you guys luck. It sucks when it is a long road. I will say this for the TWU guys it's been a longer road than SWA;, you have been on this road since 2003.

It's not about being angry enough or hungry enough to change. Who in their right mind could support a union headed by a habitual liar? He'll NEVER get the support he thinks he can.

 

[Bin Stretcher]

What about flipping this on the company. Give them "core work". Loading and unloading, PERIOD. Deny them "when and where directed" language.
Would they then have to contract out bagroom, bag transfer, receipt and dispatch, lav and water service, jetway bags, windshield washing, air starts, bag rerouting, etc? Sounds expensive to me if they have to pay 3rd parties to accomplish all we do

 

[B737 driver]

What about flipping this on the company. Give them "core work". Loading and unloading, PERIOD. Deny them "when and where directed" language.
Would they then have to contract out bagroom, bag transfer, receipt and dispatch, lav and water service, jetway bags, windshield washing, air starts, bag rerouting, etc? Sounds expensive to me if they have to pay 3rd parties to accomplish all we do

Bin stretcher they would be lucky to get the contractors to show up!

 

[Bin Stretcher]

EXACTLY! But that's what they want apparently. Our 3rd party venders do such a stellar job throughout the system, why wouldn't they want to degrade our service even more!

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Bin stretcher they would be lucky to get the contractors to show up!

...they would be lucky if the contractors didn't cause several times the contract cost in delays, aircraft damage, and general discombobulation...
However, none of this would matter, because stock holders love lowering labor cost regardless of the consequences... so yes... if the contract allows it either intentionally, or unintentionally, you can bet your ass they will do it!

It's all about quarterly capitalism!

 

[Tim Nelson]

What about flipping this on the company. Give them "core work". Loading and unloading, PERIOD. Deny them "when and where directed" language.
Would they then have to contract out bagroom, bag transfer, receipt and dispatch, lav and water service, jetway bags, windshield washing, air starts, bag rerouting, etc? Sounds expensive to me if they have to pay 3rd parties to accomplish all we do

you dont understand. That bag over your head is covering your brain.
Look, the company wants the "core work" as is at United. You can keep believing baskett that the company is trying to contract out everything but baskett gets all his info secondhand from Sito.
The company offered language that gives us "exclusive" work in 40 stations. That hasnt changed in 18 months other than they offered catering as well until Sito tried to attach the pension. That was a onetime offer.

Neither this company, nor any airline that I know, is wanting to ditch its mainline workers since venders are too pricey in a market with a tight job market. United, American, Jetblue, Delta.....all airlines are hiring mainline and insourcing.

Our talks are stalled over the iam pension only. If they continue to be stalled with no negotiation sessions, the Association will be replaced.

Regards,

 

[Fleetoffoot]

robbed when it comes to you keeping your Medical as it is since obviously it would hurt you very much if it were to go up to what we pay on the LUS side, I support you 100%.

BTW you’ll be glad to know that our TWU Leaders spoke here in MIA about your Medical (Particularly Gary) and also support you keeping it 100%......

Actually they even do support if necessary you keeping your Medical for awhile longer and us keeping ours.

And how do they plan on compensating the TWU for having the more expensive health insurance while our suppose it equals continue to save money and get better benefits?

 

[MetalMover]

It's not about being angry enough or hungry enough to change. Who in their right mind could support a union headed by a habitual liar? He'll NEVER get the support he thinks he can.

How about maybe people don't care enough because negotiations are being conducted by an association whom nobody had the chance to vote on?

 

[Bin Stretcher]

How about maybe people don't care enough because negotiations are being conducted by an association whom nobody had the chance to vote on?

You need to get beyond that sailed ship. I'm sure folks aren't willing to change for a vast variety of reasons, some valid in my opinion, and some not.
The point of my post was a moron here thinking he has support and he couldn't be further from the truth, AGAIN.

 

[MetalMover]

You need to get beyond that sailed ship. I'm sure folks aren't willing to change for a vast variety of reasons, some valid in my opinion, and some not.
The point of my post was a moron here thinking he has support and he couldn't be further from the truth, AGAIN.

That "sailed" ship is the problem, Bin...Many of my coworkers feel the sharing of two unions is the reason this very well could go 5-6 years.