American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[MetalMover]

So you’re in support of offshoring your work then?

Question being not that they’re going to do it but do you support it?

Now who's putting words in who's mouth. I do not support outsourcing.
The reality is I have seen many an "incident" where aircraft have diverted to my station after maintenance was done by our own.
Let me ask you a question....suppose the mechanic who worked that aircraft was hired by AA first? Better yet what if that aircraft was one of ours?]
Who would you blame?

 

[Kev3188]

Tim Nelson
Ok let me clarify this. You are not an IAM Member nor a TWU Member. You resigned your IAM membership after being charged with an Article L Violation of the IAWAM Constitution as you were afraid to defend yourself, be found guilty and be a member in bad standing and be fined.

You aren’t an elected representative of the IAM, you don’t speak for the members, you are a non-member nobody who thinks he is the anointed savior of Fleet Service, which you aren’t.

You can’t attend an IAM meeting, convention, or conference. You can’t hold any office or position. You can’t vote on the JCBA or any CBA, or any kind election. So you can’t say members want to know as your not one nor do you represent nor speak for the members.

Neither are you (or me). What's your point?

Were you out there Thursday? I was, didn’t see you in CLT.

I don't live in North Carolina.

Answer the question.

When was the last time you did anything to help you coworkers organize?
Get cards signed, handbill, phone bank, attend a rally or meeting?

Yesterday.

Again, how long has it been since you last clocked in on AA (or US) property?

Contributing to the cause of the accident were (1) Air Midwest’s lack of oversight of the work being performed at the Huntington, West Virginia, maintenance station; (2) Air Midwest’s maintenance procedures and documentation; (3) Air Midwest’s weight and balance program at the time of the accident; (4) the Raytheon Aerospace quality assurance inspector’s failure to detect the incorrect rigging of the elevator control system; (5) the Federal Aviation Administration’s (FAA) average weight assumptions in its weight and balance program guidance at the time of the accident; and (6) the FAA’s lack of oversight of Air Midwest’s maintenance program and its weight and balance program.

As a YV alum, I would agree that there was a lot of room for error in their W & B program back then. I hate that this incident ever occurred, but if there's a silver lining to take from it, it's the renewed focus/vigilance on w&B that we all deal with now.

 

[WeAAsles]

Now who's putting words in who's mouth. I do not support outsourcing.
The reality is I have seen many an "incident" where aircraft have diverted to my station after maintenance was done by our own.
Let me ask you a question....suppose the mechanic who worked that aircraft was hired by AA first? Better yet what if that aircraft was one of ours?]
Who would you blame?

Metal I did place a question mark after the sentence.

I wouldn’t blame anyone until all of the details are released on any crash once the NTSB completes it’s findings.

If it was deemed that a crash occurred because an American Airlines AMT was negligent then that individual should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law.

How strict is the focus on IAW outside the USA is the question that should be on all of our minds though?

 

[B737 driver]

Don't think in house mechanics of any airline have not been the cause of an incident or two, or three.....................

Two different issues on the ground during run and taxi Operations Delta in ATL, too low fuel fuel load, put airplane in ditch 737. Us unfortunately in MCO fresh 3-weeks out of overhaul too fast taxi speed crossing runway put airplane in ditch destroyed both engines. So yes it does happen , don't become complacent.

 

[MetalMover]

Metal I did place a question mark after the sentence.

I wouldn’t blame anyone until all of the details are released on any crash once the NTSB completes it’s findings.

If it was deemed that a crash occurred because an American Airlines AMT was negligent then that individual should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law.

How strict is the focus on IAW outside the USA is the question that should be on all of our minds though?

The airlines and government will tell us that MRO's and even foreign repair stations adhere to the same strict standards we have here in the US.
I would have to see it for myself.

 

[WeAAsles]

The airlines and government will tell us that MRO's and even foreign repair stations adhere to the same strict standards we have here in the US.
I would have to see it for myself.

You mean the FAA?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3291317002

Another question. You know at least on the surface what the Company is offering your groups. If the buyout was not attached would you still want to vote and would you vote yes?

 

[MetalMover]

You mean the FAA?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3291317002

Another question. You know at least on the surface what the Company is offering your groups. If the buyout was not attached would you still want to vote and would you vote yes?

Yes, FAA, NSTB and Senate aviation committees.
This the problem when the FAA has the dual role of promoting aviation AND enforcing safety.

And I would vote yes. Having said this, there would be quite a few mechanics on both LUS and LAA side that would take the buyout. And for them, they have a right to have the buyout part of the contract.
It would be nice to maintain the headcount prior to the buyouts.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes, FAA, NSTB and Senate aviation committees.
This the problem when the FAA has the dual role of promoting aviation AND enforcing safety.

And I would vote yes. Having said this, there would be quite a few mechanics on both LUS and LAA side that would take the buyout. And for them, they have a right to have the buyout part of the contract.
It would be nice to maintain the headcount prior to the buyouts.

I respect how you would vote but obviously I wouldn’t vote yes myself.

I also think you and others have even more of a right not to have to feel forced to sell out the future just so you can leave with a little more comfort.

The whole idea just rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I was really surprised you didn’t show up. Really wish you had.
Many people really wish you had.

Why do you keep lying to people? Money got your tongue? You know damn well that the company hasnt offered to lay off thousands and eliminate bagroom and abr. You know thats bs.
Why do you lie about how members from the past sacrificed for future employees? Tell me one time in our 34 years when our group sacrificed our families for future employees? One time?
You cant! You recommended contracts that took care of your arse in clt and F all outlying stations with $15. Right or wrong?
You recommended hosing current employees, never mind future ones. Even 4 years ago you recommended F 22 United stations and thousands of current employees.
So save your anti union BS when you are worried about your own union job. You are worse than Crowell. You havent done a damn thing other than kiss management ass and you refuse to arbitrate or enforce what we already have.
Everyone told me that Fairbanks controlled you but I disagreed. I was wrong.
What a useless pitiful company man you have become.
You should be advocating consent from the members but, unlike me, you arent your own man. Keep your filthy money, you have become worse than parker.
And as far as clt, I have plenty of friends there and would cornhole you in a breakroom.
Your a corporate punk that id love to box and knock the F out of in the ring.

 

[WeAAsles]

Apologies for answering a question not posed to me. Would just like to add my perspective of your question.
The company geared their alleged "proposal" to garner all the votes they could muster by giving just enough in wages and benefits to the LAA side. Knowing they would all jump on it since they've been disadvantaged for an extended period and are hungry to begin make progress. For many on the LUS side, it's cost negative just in medical insurance alone. TN is the ONLY anomaly on LUS side you'll hear from in support of the company "proposal".

Bin Stretcher need to correct you on one point. On the TWU side we’re not all ready to jump on it. At least not all of us Senior guys who do have some time left and remembering past history.

I also think we’re doing a very good job at explaining to all the lower Seniority guys why it’s going to be a terrible deal for them with all the trap doors the Company wants to attach to Scope.

 

[charlie Brown]

Why do you keep lying to people? Money got your tongue? You know damn well that the company hasnt offered to lay off thousands and eliminate bagroom and abr. You know thats bs.
Why do you lie about how members from the past sacrificed for future employees? Tell me one time in our 34 years when our group sacrificed our families for future employees? One time?
You cant! You recommended contracts that took care of your arse in clt and F all outlying stations with $15. Right or wrong?
You recommended hosing current employees, never mind future ones. Even 4 years ago you recommended F 22 United stations and thousands of current employees.
So save your anti union BS when you are worried about your own union job. You are worse than Crowell. You havent done a damn thing other than kiss management ass and you refuse to arbitrate or enforce what we already have.
Everyone told me that Fairbanks controlled you but I disagreed. I was wrong.
What a useless pitiful company man you have become.
You should be advocating consent from the members but, unlike me, you arent your own man. Keep your filthy money, you have become worse than parker.
And as far as clt, I have plenty of friends there and would cornhole you in a breakroom.
Your a corporate punk that id love to box and knock the F out of in the ring.

Gee Timmy
I seemed to have hit a nerve, and all I said is I really wished you had came to Clt for the picket. And your still welcome to come anytime you want. Plenty of friends? I guess you and I have a different opinion of plenty.

And I haven’t actually boxed in awhile. But hey, if that’s what floats your boat? Then again your welcome anytime. I have had the crap beat out of me a few times in my life, but never knocked out. So that would be interesting to see if that could actually happen.
Now as far as the contract. I think the members have spoke over and over again who they trust. And your still living in the world if you say something enough it comes true. I was taught a long time ago, that doesn’t happen. I have a idea. Why don’t you put out that proposal of yours and prove me wrong. Show everyone where they are guaranteeing us that work. I’ll make a deal with ya. If you can show an agreement that the work is guaranteed, I’ll give you the first two punches for free when we have our match. Maybe that’s all it will take.

 

[WeAAsles]

I bet I can guess who he’s talking about.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I’ll give you the first two punches for free when we have our match. Maybe that’s all it will take.

I'll buy a ticket, let CLT RAT referee...

 

[dfw gen]

Why do you keep lying to people? Money got your tongue? You know damn well that the company hasnt offered to lay off thousands and eliminate bagroom and abr. You know thats bs.
Why do you lie about how members from the past sacrificed for future employees? Tell me one time in our 34 years when our group sacrificed our families for future employees? One time?
You cant! You recommended contracts that took care of your arse in clt and F all outlying stations with $15. Right or wrong?
You recommended hosing current employees, never mind future ones. Even 4 years ago you recommended F 22 United stations and thousands of current employees.
So save your anti union BS when you are worried about your own union job. You are worse than Crowell. You havent done a damn thing other than kiss management ass and you refuse to arbitrate or enforce what we already have.
Everyone told me that Fairbanks controlled you but I disagreed. I was wrong.
What a useless pitiful company man you have become.
You should be advocating consent from the members but, unlike me, you arent your own man. Keep your filthy money, you have become worse than parker.
And as far as clt, I have plenty of friends there and would cornhole you in a breakroom.
Your a corporate punk that id love to box and knock the F out of in the ring.

i think we ought to give him a shot, if he starts right now we could have a contract by 1915 cdl. that gives him an hour twice the time he needs to get it done!

 

[dfw gen]

tim clocks ticking, have you got that contract for us yet?