ALPA/USAPA Topic for week of 1/24 to 1/31

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You sure can pick'em can't you? They turn on the very people that hired them in the first place. I guess conflict of interest doesn't apply to the Seham's wow.


In this week’s installment of The Seham Series, which explores USAPA’s choice of outside legal advisors, the ACPC will introduce you to the relationship between USAPA’s law firm and the American Independent Cockpit Alliance, Inc. (AICA)—another group that Seham Seham Meltz & Petersen, LLP, started at American Airlines to decertify APA. That’s right, it’s the very same APA the Sehams used to decertify ALPA at American. This article will also further outline the law firm’s track record with the Allied Pilots Association.

The B-Scale Plague

American Airlines adopted the benchmark B-scale in November 1983, permanently reducing pay for newly hired pilots by 50 percent. In fact, under the AA system—negotiated while the Seham firm sat on the labor side of the table—pay rates and pensions for new employees would never merge with those of then-current employees.

Martin Seham wrote proudly of this accomplishment in Cleared for Takeoff: Airline Labor Relations Since Deregulation.

As general counsel to the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the independent certified representative of the American Airlines pilots, I was close to the negotiations that resulted, in 1983, in one of the earliest realization of the two-tier system. APA was not faced with an insolvent or failing carrier; it was, however, forced to deal with an economic environment that had changed dramatically because of the effects of deregulation and was, by virtue of its independence, mandated to reach an agreement consistent with the needs and objectives of its constituency.

—Martin C. Seham

Although B-scales were not a new concept, their initial format was unique to the airline industry. Following American’s lead, other airlines began to demand similar packages—forcing the entire airline labor movement into a new era of concessions. Good for management; bad for pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, and all of the airline industry’s workers.

While ALPA pilots were forced to deal with this blight brought to the industry by APA and the Sehams, not one ALPA pilot group accepted a non-merging two-tier scale. The clearest example of this was the ALPA strike at United in June 1985, when the pilots refused to agree to a non-merging two-tier pay scale.

Ironically, it was ALPA’s success in preventing implementation of the Seham B-scale at UAL that led to the Rakestraw case, where replacement pilots who crossed the picket line attempted to reverse ALPA’s successful efforts to negotiate seniority protection for hundreds of pro-ALPA new-hires who had refused management’s demand to become strikebreakers. USAPA’s law firm now misinterprets and misrepresents this case—in which ALPA protected pilots who adhered to union principle and honored picket lines—as somehow giving it carte blanche to change seniority as it sees fit. To read more, click here.

In fact, following ALPA’s win at United, ALPA pilot groups, through their strength at the bargaining table, led the effort to eliminate the B-scale structure. They did it by working together, forging a pattern and sticking to it—the same way ALPA pilots throughout our industry are working to rebuild our contracts after the era of bankruptcy and ATSB constraints.

Ousting an Independent

Last week we discussed the 1992 firing of the Seham firm as APA’s general counsel. There’s more to this drama, however. Just six months after being dismissed, the Sehams launched a bid to create another independent union for pilots at American Airlines—the American Independent Cockpit Alliance, Inc. (AICA)—with the aid of the McCormick Advisory Group, an administrative support firm that funds start-up “independents.â€

According to its website, “AICA was incorporated in June 1993 . . . and provides all services normally associated with a labor union except collective bargaining. AICA exists to become the certified bargaining representative for the pilots of American Airlines.â€

Seham Seham Meltz & Petersen—the same general counsel that USAPA has hired to represent US Airways pilots—set up another independent union to decertify its own former client, the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the supposed model for USAPA.

In fact, the AICA website refers to Martin Seham’s experience as APA counsel to show his ability to help establish “independent†unions. It does not mention Seham’s dismissal by APA.

The AICA website also talks favorably about the law firm’s representation of management. Of the firm’s lawyers, the site states: “They have had the experience of sitting on both sides of the table and share one of the greatest aids to negotiated settlements; that is, the ability to put oneself in the other guy’s shoes.†That is a fancy way of saying that the firm, while it primarily represents management, attempts to walk on our side of the street but has no allegiance or loyalty to labor or to unions.

The fundamental question is this: Does Seham Seham Meltz & Petersen help establish independent unions to represent labor?

We don’t think so. Simply put, USAPA’s law firm acts in a way that seeks to divide and conquer labor and, at the same time, helps management undermine contract standards and set legal precedent that is favorable only to management.

The ACPC will further examine Seham Seham Meltz & Petersen’s litigation and bargaining work in the weeks to come and provide some examples of how the efforts of USAPA’s law firm have harmed pilots and the entire labor movement.

For example, in future issues, you’ll see that the firm has also worked to undermine other AFL-CIO unions like the IAM through their representation of AMFA—similar to its work to undermine the APA after being dismissed as its general counsel in 1992.

The Seham Series will explore the track record of Seham Seham Meltz & Petersen, LLP, the law firm that USAPA has hired for legal advice and counsel, to help you make an informed business decision with all the facts on the table. Stay tuned for next week’s installment. You can also read the entire series, as it rolls out, on the ACPC website.
 
I agree with your assessment of SWAP. However you lost me with the part about secretly changing parts of the contract. What parts are you talking about? We were in the middle of contract negotiations, so the entire contract was being negotiated. Nothing changed until after the summer when the new contract was ratified.

You may be referring to the sunset provision of the ESOP which allowed the participating unions veto rights on board activity. But those were in place as a precondition to the ESOP in the first place.


Last one first. The UAL pilot board member, if I recall, was extremely limited in what he/she could do and veto rights, if any, would not have applied to a merger situation, as I recall. I followed this pretty close because I thought ALPA sold a heck of a lot of concessions just to get board membership for the US pilots.

Secret changed. No. The secret was the "merger", not announced until the May time frame. Capt. Dubinsky(sp?) knew about the merger since February and I am certain, was on pins and needles trying to convey the urgency of bolstering the UAL pilots safety net in the event of a change of control. In fact, my contacts at UAL told me that the issues leading to the "slowdown" were not over compensation but over protections.

Hats off the the Captain for successfully defending his troops with his hands tied.
 
FYI:

Fellow pilot,
As we recover from the card situation, we wanted to bring you up-to-date. First, we have been overwhelmed by the level of support shown, thank you! In just one week, we have received nearly 3,000 cards and ten thousand dollars in donations. Further, we have received a significant number of new cards from those previously undecided. We are, frankly, almost speechless. This reaffirmation of support has been quite something to observe.

Thank you for your patience as we work through this. There will be another round of phone calls later this week, to reach those from whom we haven't heard. (If you receive a call and have already sent a replacement card, or signed one in a crew room, please just tell the caller.)

While response has been fantastic, we need every last card. If you have not yet sent a replacement card, we need it now! (For your convenience, a card is attached.) If you are not able to get your card postmarked by January 29th (tomorrow), you will have to overnight it directly to the NMB (address below). Also, a reminder - for those who would like to submit a card anonymously, you may do so at any time, by sending your card to:

National Mediation Board
Office of Legal Affairs
NMB File No. CR-6926
1301 K St. NW, Suite 250 East
Washington, DC 20005
202-692-5040

Thanks again for your continuing support.
 
So, in essence, emotional nonsense aside; You have absolutely nothing/nada/zip/zero to offer by way of any compelling reasons to keep Alpa? :blink:
Actually, your own brother and sister pilots have given all the reasons. No need for me to add more. As per your MEC chairman, the majority of pilots disagree with the the PHL pilots and think that the best course is to explore options that could lead to the JNC finally coming together to give well deserved raises as well as protections to mitigate the effects of Nicolau. It is council 41 who does not see that the continuing with USAPA (and the inherited Nicolau list) will lead to a dead end.

But continue on your merry (blind) way. :blink:
 
You have exposed the SOP for 700UW. Venturing far outside his areas of expertise (stock room, utility, lav dump procedures, commercial baking operations), 700UW habitually throws out uninformed, half baked theories and third hand internet gossip. Mixed in will be the more than occassional slur, such as the scab taunt you have referenced above. When answered with the very logical observation that he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about, his response is always the same. First, an accusation that the poster is engaging in a personal "attack," followed by some inane assertion that the poster cannot debate the "facts."

Dariencc,

The post above could possibly be interpreted as a personal attack. You may dispute the issues but you may not insult or attack the poster.

This is a final warning--do NOT make it personal. The next personal attack on this thread gets the thread closed and we will not allow another thread on this subject for a week, while those responsible spend that time in the cornfield.

Its okay to argue passionately--you've all been doing that. But some of you have crossed the line. The post above teeters on the edge, but in future, leave the PERSON out of it.
 
Actually, your own brother and sister pilots have given all the reasons. No need for me to add more. As per your MEC chairman, the majority of pilots disagree with the the PHL pilots and think that the best course is to explore options that could lead to the JNC finally coming together to give well deserved raises as well as protections to mitigate the effects of Nicolau. It is council 41 who does not see that the continuing with USAPA (and the inherited Nicolau list) will lead to a dead end.

But continue on your merry (blind) way. :blink:


Is that why the CLT reps are ducking and hiding to avoid an immediate recall but are able to get all the ALPA National heavy hitters into CLT for a rally that no one cheered at?

Did 3100+ pilots write a little love note on the back of their card expressing what you allege ? I'm just trying to figure out what you base your assessment on?

Do you read the MEC as if he were a writer for "the Enquirer" or the "Wall Street Journal"?
 
In this week’s installment of The Seham Series,
There's more? Outstanding!! Can't wait.

The B-Scale Plague

American Airlines adopted the benchmark B-scale in November 1983, permanently reducing pay for newly hired pilots by 50 percent. In fact, under the AA system—negotiated while the Seham firm sat on the labor side of the table—pay rates and pensions for new employees would never merge with those of then-current employees.

Martin Seham wrote proudly of this accomplishment in Cleared for Takeoff: Airline Labor Relations Since Deregulation.

As general counsel to the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the independent certified representative of the American Airlines pilots, I was close to the negotiations that resulted, in 1983, in one of the earliest realization of the two-tier system. APA was not faced with an insolvent or failing carrier; it was, however, forced to deal with an economic environment that had changed dramatically because of the effects of deregulation and was, by virtue of its independence, mandated to reach an agreement consistent with the needs and objectives of its constituency.

—Martin C. Seham

Although B-scales were not a new concept, their initial format was unique to the airline industry. Following American’s lead, other airlines began to demand similar packages—forcing the entire airline labor movement into a new era of concessions. Good for management; bad for pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, and all of the airline industry’s workers.

While the B-scale plague on the industry was indicative of darker times, there are far more reasons it was foisted on the pilot groups than what is simplistically presented here.
While ALPA pilots were forced to deal with this blight brought to the industry by APA and the Sehams, not one ALPA pilot group accepted a non-merging two-tier scale. The clearest example of this was the ALPA strike at United in June 1985, when the pilots refused to agree to a non-merging two-tier pay scale.
I wouldn't quite characterize that strike as a single issue. There are many more reasons for that strike than the B-scale. Dick Ferris' empire building under the name of Allegis (sp) had just a little something to do with the strike than what you simply present.
Seham B-scale
Accusations that resemble desperation. The ACPC is shameless in its defense of the mother ship. :lol:
the Sehams launched a bid to create another independent union for pilots at American Airlines—the American Independent Cockpit Alliance, Inc. (AICA)—with the aid of the McCormick Advisory Group, an administrative support firm that funds start-up “independents.â€
WOW!! "the Sehams launched".......... you are kidding, right? The Sehams couldn't launch anything on their OWN. Wonder where the PILOTS behind the start-up come from? I love this propaganda, it means USAPA is very credible and very serious. As some would think we're a college prank.
.......refers to Martin Seham’s experience as APA counsel to show his ability to help establish “independent†unions.......
Never have met Martin. The firm may be named after him, I do believe we're dealing with a whole new set of players.

The only thing you have confirmed in my mind is that we have the right group of players to pull off this decert. I believe that is why we'll see more of these ACPC posts. If you can't win by deeds, win by attacking the messenger. Thanks, it only reconfirms the rats are scurrying around looking for anything that will help a lost cause.
 
Actually, your own brother and sister pilots have given all the reasons. No need for me to add more. As per your MEC chairman, the majority of pilots disagree with the the PHL pilots and think that the best course is to explore options that could lead to the JNC finally coming together to give well deserved raises as well as protections to mitigate the effects of Nicolau. It is council 41 who does not see that the continuing with USAPA (and the inherited Nicolau list) will lead to a dead end.

But continue on your merry (blind) way. :blink:

"Actually, your own brother and sister pilots have given all the reasons. No need for me to add more." Umm...Riiiight. I'll take that as the best you've actually got to offer in Alpa's defense = NOTHING :blink:

I'm curious about one thing though: Exactly WHERE do "the majority of pilots" hide themselves from view?..other than inside your imagination? :lol:

"Fellow pilot,
As we recover from the card situation, we wanted to bring you up-to-date. First, we have been overwhelmed by the level of support shown, thank you! In just one week, we have received nearly 3,000 cards and ten thousand dollars in donations. Further, we have received a significant number of new cards from those previously undecided. We are, frankly, almost speechless. This reaffirmation of support has been quite something to observe"

But, by all means young sir..."continue on your merry (blind)"/Alpa "way."

As for "will lead to a dead end." Agreed, but only as the thought concerns Alpa's imminent demise on the property...which seems to overly concern you, given that you're not involved with the AWA/US issues otherwise.
 
As per your MEC chairman, the majority of pilots disagree with the the PHL pilots and think that the best course is to explore options that could lead to the JNC finally coming together to give well deserved raises as well as protections to mitigate the effects of Nicolau. It is council 41 who does not see that the continuing with USAPA (and the inherited Nicolau list) will lead to a dead end.
MEC Chairman? That's your first mistake. Right now his only support is coming from the CLT and 1/2 of the DCA reps. The CLT reps are under recall but refuse to call a LEC meeting. Wonder why? So with this support the chairman surreptitiously creates this blue ribbon committee, thereby bypassing 4 unanimous MEC resolutions to the contrary. Looks like typical ALPA procedure by those in power. "If you don't like the self imposed constraints" scurry around them.

I know our chairman thinks he is doing the right thing, same with the councils that support him, but their support is more a self perception than actual reality.
 
Here's an interesting piece from the business news wire.

Barrons:

IN-FLIGHT STRATEGIS SUGGESTIONS
Whether it asked for it or not, Credit Suisse has some strategic suggestions for US Airways (LCC). First: sit out this round of consolidation talk that’s sweeping the airline industry. A better course of action would be to take the company private, using the sale of its shuttle operations to pay for the transaction. (No LBO price point is proferred, however.) Use the sinecure of privacy to clean up those nasty service glitches and reputation as an under-achiever. Then, when the dust has settled, and the other airlines have chosen a dance partner, re-emerge as a public company, with a better regard in its customers’ eyes. Of course, they could just go ahead and fix operational problems under the current guise. But that’s just me.

Comment: Very interesting advice. It does make a lot of sense.
 
FYI:

Fellow pilot,
As we recover from the card situation, we wanted to bring you up-to-date. First, we have been overwhelmed by the level of support shown, thank you! In just one week, we have received nearly 3,000 cards and ten thousand dollars in donations. Further, we have received a significant number of new cards from those previously undecided. We are, frankly, almost speechless. This reaffirmation of support has been quite something to observe.

Thank you for your patience as we work through this. There will be another round of phone calls later this week, to reach those from whom we haven't heard. (If you receive a call and have already sent a replacement card, or signed one in a crew room, please just tell the caller.)

While response has been fantastic, we need every last card. If you have not yet sent a replacement card, we need it now! (For your convenience, a card is attached.) If you are not able to get your card postmarked by January 29th (tomorrow), you will have to overnight it directly to the NMB (address below). Also, a reminder - for those who would like to submit a card anonymously, you may do so at any time, by sending your card to:

National Mediation Board
Office of Legal Affairs
NMB File No. CR-6926
1301 K St. NW, Suite 250 East
Washington, DC 20005
202-692-5040

Thanks again for your continuing support.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Let me see if I have this right. It took you months to swindle cards out of members, and now you claim that you were ale to do in one week what it took you months to do?? Yeah right!!
 
There's more? Outstanding!! Can't wait.


While the B-scale plague on the industry was indicative of darker times, there are far more reasons it was foisted on the pilot groups than what is simplistically presented here.

I wouldn't quite characterize that strike as a single issue. There are many more reasons for that strike than the B-scale. Dick Ferris' empire building under the name of Allegis (sp) had just a little something to do with the strike than what you simply present.

Accusations that resemble desperation. The ACPC is shameless in its defense of the mother ship. :lol:

WOW!! "the Sehams launched".......... you are kidding, right? The Sehams couldn't launch anything on their OWN. Wonder where the PILOTS behind the start-up come from? I love this propaganda, it means USAPA is very credible and very serious. As some would think we're a college prank.

Never have met Martin. The firm may be named after him, I do believe we're dealing with a whole new set of players.

The only thing you have confirmed in my mind is that we have the right group of players to pull off this decert. I believe that is why we'll see more of these ACPC posts. If you can't win by deeds, win by attacking the messenger. Thanks, it only reconfirms the rats are scurrying around looking for anything that will help a lost cause.

Martin is daddy to Lee but hey birds of a feather right? What you like I love so go for it but I can assure you it wont turn out like you have led yourself and have been led to believe!!!
 
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Let me see if I have this right. It took you months to swindle cards out of members, and now you claim that you were ale to do in one week what it took you months to do?? Yeah right!!
:lol: You wouldn't believe me back then, why would I expect you to accept and believe me now? I think swindle is a little short sighted on your part, don't you?

Martin is daddy to Lee but hey birds of a feather right? What you like I love so go for it but I can assure you it wont turn out like you have led yourself and have been led to believe!!!

To put it mildly. Wrong!! :lol:

Lets vote already!!
 
Here's an interesting piece from the business news wire.

Barrons:

IN-FLIGHT STRATEGIS SUGGESTIONS
.....Use the sinecure of privacy to clean up those nasty service glitches and reputation as an under-achiever. Then, when the dust has settled, and the other airlines have chosen a dance partner, re-emerge as a public company, with a better regard in its customers’ eyes.......

Comment: Very interesting advice. It does make a lot of sense.

Except apparently Credit Suisse doesn't understand the DOT reporting requirements for airlines. Being privately held doesn't exempt one from reporting the same into - O/T, baggage, etc. Only being small (less than 1% of domestic passenger revenues) get's an airline out of that requirement. So much for the "sinecure of privacy".....

Jim
 
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