All unions must eventually support ALPA

[delldude]

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On 2/5/2003 301 PM oldiebutgoody wrote:

... Also, pilots were NOT on strike, and our contract guarantees us a certain level of pay. That's what everyone got. It's the contract. The reason the pilots didn't strike was that we had JUST SIGNED a very concessionary contract, and seen hundreds of OUR FELLOW PILOTS put out on the street due to the economic condition of the company at the time, and rather than participate the IAM chose, just like recently, to ignore the problem and demand more. [/blockquote]
what happened was you guys became scabs....like or not what trade unionists who support the afl-cio call it SCABS.
SCABS SCABS SCABS

 

[Dark Cloud]

This topic brings back memories of the early and mid 60's. Allegheny (now U for you younger folks) hired a group of flight engineers from Eastern Airlines to work as mechanics. Didn't some union problem happen at Eastern between the pilots and flight engineers at that time ? I seem to recall a problem of some type. Anybody old enough to know?

 

[Retired1]

Dark Cloud-- I remember at some point a flight engineer had to go ahead and get all of their pilot ratings. Some could not or would not so i dont remember if this is the time or not.

 

[supercruiser]

>>Biffeman, you are absolutely right in why we walked in 1992, Article 2b[[

]]So let me get this strait....everyone worked at usair except iam during THEIR strike and got paid. Right? Yet you envious pilot haters single them alone out as scabs. Huh?

 

[sabre]

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On 2/5/2003 2:38:16 PM tug_slug wrote:

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On 2/5/2003 1:18:01 PM diogenes wrote:

Folks, this round is lost. Management caught the right politico-socio-economic environment, and landed a haymaker.

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diogenes is right.

The company is going to get their way no matter how united the Unions are. We can file as many grievances as we want but Dave's proven it time and again he's going to get concessions one way or another.
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Tugslug, Dave didn't take what he wanted, we gave it to him and that is why he has what he has. Plus I doubt if Diogenes actually implied that Dave was going to get it one way or the other.
Are you saying that the employees sacrifices wouldn't have mattered?

The IAM hasn't helped matters for us either. They have reduced theirselves down to a company mouthpiece.

 

[A320 Driver]

Nicely put sir.

A320 Driver

 

[Biffeman]

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On 2/6/2003 11:18:23 AM supercruiser wrote:

>>Biffeman, you are absolutely right in why we walked in 1992, Article 2b[[

]]So let me get this strait....everyone worked at usair except iam during THEIR strike and got paid. Right? Yet you envious pilot haters single them alone out as scabs. Huh?

 

[BottomFeeder]

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BIFFE

Have you looked into the EAS program? You are so focus on this 1992 thing. That was 10+ years ago and it seems time to move on.

Just wondering, do you hold an A&P?

 

[A320 Driver]

Can I get you something? Coffee, tea, PROZAC?

Move on with your life Biffeman. Nobody CARES!

A320 Driver

 

[A320 Driver]

Fact: ALPA never called a strike in 92
Fact: ALPA pilots did no struck work.
Fact: ALPA had a contract and lived up to it.
Fact: You need to get over this grudge and start dealing with the problems you have some control over. Don't we have enough junk going on around here without you looking back over a decade to find more? Your not helping yourself or anyone else with this line of reasoning Biffeman.

Ease up dude!

A320 Driver

 

[Biffeman]

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On 2/6/2003 1:02:45 PM A320 Driver wrote:

Fact: ALPA never called a strike in 92
Fact: ALPA pilots did no struck work.
Fact: ALPA had a contract and lived up to it.
Fact: You need to get over this grudge and start dealing with the problems you have some control over. Don't we have enough junk going on around here without you looking back over a decade to find more? Your not helping yourself or anyone else with this line of reasoning Biffeman.

Ease up dude!

A320 Driver



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FACT:Yes pilots peformed struck work, pilots cleaned airplanes during the strike.
FACT:ALPA made a side deal with US Air that if they did not honor the picket line they would get paid if they flew or not.
FACT:All F28s, F100s,DC-9s and MD-80s were grounded and all those pilots got paid.
FACT: You lined your greedy pockets of the backs of others.
FACT: AFA sanctioned a sympathy strike.
FACT: US Air went to court and got an injuction to order the AFA members back to work.

 

[BottomFeeder]

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BIFFE

Have you looked into the EAS program? You are so focus on this 1992 thing. That was 10+ years ago and it seems time to move on.

Just wondering, do you hold an A&P?

 

[diogenes]

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On 2/6/2003 1155 AM sabre wrote:

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On 2/5/2003 2:38:16 PM tug_slug wrote:

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On 2/5/2003 1:18:01 PM diogenes wrote:

Folks, this round is lost. Management caught the right politico-socio-economic environment, and landed a haymaker.

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diogenes is right.

The company is going to get their way no matter how united the Unions are. We can file as many grievances as we want but Dave's proven it time and again he's going to get concessions one way or another.
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Tugslug, Dave didn't take what he wanted, we gave it to him and that is why he has what he has. Plus I doubt if Diogenes actually implied that Dave was going to get it one way or the other.
Are you saying that the employees sacrifices wouldn't have mattered?

The IAM hasn't helped matters for us either. They have reduced theirselves down to a company mouthpiece.

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Hi guys, might as well weigh in.

For concessions part I and II, Dave wanted 'consent.' 'Buy-in' is useful; the victim will stand still for the 'procedure' longer. Had he not got it, I suspect U would have gone the route UA is going down - give or liquidate.

Going forward, there will be no need for 'consent' - force majuere will suffice.

 

[A320 Driver]

word

 

[Biffeman]

A320, if people did not care anymore then has this thread reached several pages now?

And I think you should stick to flying planes then trying online pyschiatry.