Aircraft maint issues

dvlhog212 said:
I tried to speak with samuelson at the first DFW protest. He wasn't having it. Grinning like a fat kid in a candy store. My impression of the man is a caricature of stereotypical union boss. He thrills at the fight with management and not so much the issues. I dare say he could not speak intelligently to anything specific to our fight or details of our CBA. First impressions carry a lot of weight for me. Ive learned to trust my gut and my gut tells me samuelson is not the guy to lead this fight and does not have our best interest at heart. As with all of them, their loyalty and priority lies with the union and not the members in my opinion.
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No. Samuelsen is not an expert at any of our Contracts or our History. He only goes from the gut for what the basics are. But that’s why he’s not the guy in the room leading the talks. There was some writing a few years back where he even admitted it.

I haven’t personally met the man yet since my ex Local President was doing everything to block the International from coming to MIA but that’s going to change next Month and I’ll finally get to meet Samuelsen in person. My freakin friend Danny who lives in Brooklyn knows him better than me cause they both go to the same Barbershop. (Seriously)

But honestly the guy impresses me. Yea partially cause he’s an Irish guy from NYC like me but also cause he’s a royal pain in the ass to the bureaucrats and has done damn well back home against them.

He also isn’t ignoring the Airlines just cause he’s a Railroad guy. You can’t say in your career that we haven’t gotten more attention now from the International then ever before?
 
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https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczy...-inferior-parts-say-frightened-employees.html
 
Now here’s an interesting piece of news for all of you who post here who claim the TWU is holding you hostage and won’t let you go.

Apparently this Local asked to be released from TWU Representation after the organizer and director of the Gaming division retired. The man was apparently the overseer of that Local and extremely well respected.

Well that Local who represents nearly 1000 people were graciously released and wished nothing but the best in their futures.

It was all very civilized, cordial and honorable.

http://local721.twu.org/

“The union is partnering with the United Auto Workers union and urging affected members to vote to affiliate with the UAW, TWU President John Samuelson told Bloomberg Law“

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily...ion-steps-away-from-vegas-casino-operations-1
 
dvlhog212 said:
I will get blasted for this but we are going to have to choose. Maintain the headcount and scope or give on scope in exchange for pay and benefits. The hard truth is we can not have both. The truth is we have plenty of fat to cut in all departments both union and management. There is actually a guy at DWH, soon to be at DFW, that literally owns NO TOOLS. He is/was a career shop guy that has NEVER worked on an airplane! He is but one example of dead weight.

With all due respect to SWAPA he is wrong. We recently were informed at our local meeting that our current base out sourcing percentage is at 38% per the company. That is 3% above our contractual cap. Of course there is no mechanism in place to correct that or compensate us for the violation. To add to that the company has moved the acceptance check work of 100 LAA 321NEO to a LUS base. A clear violation of our CBA. A presidential 29d has been filed but we all know the end result.

In my opinion and speaking for myself, we are going to have to choose. One big problem as I see it , is we historically have not been able to craft language to protect us. Case in point is the 1995 CBA, "attrition". 1995 introduced the SRP classification. A lower paid mechanic classification to be used in certain shop work. The intent being that, thru attrition, as AMTs left those shops they would be replaced by the lower paid new classification. It was about 30 days after the CBA was signed when AMTs began to be moved out of these shops and replaced. Just another example of the company doing what they want and the chest thumping union failing to secure language to stop them.
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Exactly why I would prefer no union to this association that doesn’t seem to have a clear direction and too many different interests.

Every week we hear the same thing, AA wants to take all your jobs away and outsource everything. AA could have done that in 2012, and can do that in 2021, probably get a contract a week before the next financial calamity.

In the line stations we have a lot of mechanics who’s entire tool kit is a pair of lighted wands. It’s an unfortunate byproduct of industrial unions and weak management.
 
bigjets said:
Exactly why I would prefer no union to this association that doesn’t seem to have a clear direction and too many different interests.

Every week we hear the same thing, AA wants to take all your jobs away and outsource everything. AA could have done that in 2012, and can do that in 2021, probably get a contract a week before the next financial calamity.

In the line stations we have a lot of mechanics who’s entire tool kit is a pair of lighted wands. It’s an unfortunate byproduct of industrial unions and weak management.
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Bigjets the Unions have absolutely not said that the Company wants to outsource all of any of our work so I don’t know where you came up with that.

In one of the videos put out by Peterson that you can find online he states exactly how many man hours the Company wants to take from your group over time.

He then even stated that the Union proposal does provide for relief but just not to the level that AA is asking for.
 
WeAAsles said:
Bigjets the Unions have absolutely not said that the Company wants to outsource all of any of our work so I don’t know where you came up with that.

In one of the videos put out by Peterson that you can find online he states exactly how many man hours the Company wants to take from your group over time.

He then even stated that the Union proposal does provide for relief but just not to the level that AA is asking for.
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guess you haven't been to a union meeting
 
dvlhog212 said:
I will get blasted for this but we are going to have to choose. Maintain the headcount and scope or give on scope in exchange for pay and benefits. The hard truth is we can not have both. The truth is we have plenty of fat to cut in all departments both union and management. There is actually a guy at DWH, soon to be at DFW, that literally owns NO TOOLS. He is/was a career shop guy that has NEVER worked on an airplane! He is but one example of dead weight.

With all due respect to SWAPA he is wrong. We recently were informed at our local meeting that our current base out sourcing percentage is at 38% per the company. That is 3% above our contractual cap. Of course there is no mechanism in place to correct that or compensate us for the violation. To add to that the company has moved the acceptance check work of 100 LAA 321NEO to a LUS base. A clear violation of our CBA. A presidential 29d has been filed but we all know the end result.

In my opinion and speaking for myself, we are going to have to choose. One big problem as I see it , is we historically have not been able to craft language to protect us. Case in point is the 1995 CBA, "attrition". 1995 introduced the SRP classification. A lower paid mechanic classification to be used in certain shop work. The intent being that, thru attrition, as AMTs left those shops they would be replaced by the lower paid new classification. It was about 30 days after the CBA was signed when AMTs began to be moved out of these shops and replaced. Just another example of the company doing what they want and the chest thumping union failing to secure language to stop them.
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Just as a side note Hog the 38% outsourcing language is what AMFA agreed to with Northwest in their first contract after those guys kicked out , the IAM, be careful what you wish for. SWA contracts out about 80% of heavy checks. We have 5 C check lines in Dallas, 1 C check line in MDW, 1 C check line in HOU, and 1 C check line in Phoenix. The rest is line maintenance, and Hangar Ron. This is for over 750 737s. It comes down to the language changes, and how much money you guys want. One thing I have learned with dealing with management and maintenance is it doesn't matter how you slice up the pie, there is only so much money they are willing to pay.
 
WeAAsles said:
The Company continues to maintain the position that the AMT’s at AA have more in-house work than the rest of the industry they compare to and have offered for that to continue only at a smaller percentage than exists today.

SWAPA President Jon Weeks even put out the percentages for some of those Airlines in their last letter of support for AMFA. Not comparing SWA but he did state that Delta outsources 43% where AA only outsources 33%

https://swaparesources.s3-us-west-2...omments_on_State_of_Operational_Emergency.pdf

Now I know that some of you guys have said to me that those numbers are deceptive but this is the President of the Pilots Union for SWA so I have to assume that he at least somewhat knows what he’s talking about.

My question hog is do you think we should relent to the Scope hits that the Company has asked for? Those Scope hits include all Groups in the Association. Just so we can get to the money that we all want?

BTW does anyone know if we would get an industry reset or do we all fall behind after one year of a 5 year agreement?
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I question that data point WeAAsles unless its is pre-merger American. There is just no way American is only a few points (~3) higher with US's 50+% outsourcing combined PLUS all the new outsourcing American has been doing on its legacy fleet.


dvlhog212 said:
I will get blasted for this but we are going to have to choose. Maintain the headcount and scope or give on scope in exchange for pay and benefits. The hard truth is we can not have both. The truth is we have plenty of fat to cut in all departments both union and management. There is actually a guy at DWH, soon to be at DFW, that literally owns NO TOOLS. He is/was a career shop guy that has NEVER worked on an airplane! He is but one example of dead weight.

With all due respect to SWAPA he is wrong. We recently were informed at our local meeting that our current base out sourcing percentage is at 38% per the company. That is 3% above our contractual cap. Of course there is no mechanism in place to correct that or compensate us for the violation. To add to that the company has moved the acceptance check work of 100 LAA 321NEO to a LUS base. A clear violation of our CBA. A presidential 29d has been filed but we all know the end result.

In my opinion and speaking for myself, we are going to have to choose. One big problem as I see it , is we historically have not been able to craft language to protect us. Case in point is the 1995 CBA, "attrition". 1995 introduced the SRP classification. A lower paid mechanic classification to be used in certain shop work. The intent being that, thru attrition, as AMTs left those shops they would be replaced by the lower paid new classification. It was about 30 days after the CBA was signed when AMTs began to be moved out of these shops and replaced. Just another example of the company doing what they want and the chest thumping union failing to secure language to stop them.
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So I question what you mean exactly, because you guys are making a pretty comparable pay number to Delta.


Where I think the union should go is to find a way to keep the work but have less people per tail. The 12-14 American is at right now is absolutely bat **** crazy.
 
topDawg said:
I question that data point WeAAsles unless its is pre-merger American. There is just no way American is only a few points (~3) higher with US's 50+% outsourcing combined PLUS all the new outsourcing American has been doing on its legacy fleet.



So I question what you mean exactly, because you guys are making a pretty comparable pay number to Delta.


Where I think the union should go is to find a way to keep the work but have less people per tail. The 12-14 American is at right now is absolutely bat **** crazy.
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In Tulsa, the 737 Overhaul Lines are going to combine Hangar 3&4 personnel with Hangar 1&2. There will be 7 Lines with various level of checks.
You speak Mechanics per Tail, it is going to get crowded here.
 
lpbrian said:
How many AMTs per A/C does AA have? By my calculation, that number is about 10.5
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That's pretty close to what I figured. Per our last local union meeting the company wants to drive that number to under 7 AMT/ aircraft. They are proposing shedding 3100 jobs in maintenance.
 
dvlhog212 said:
That's pretty close to what I figured. Per our last local union meeting the company wants to drive that number to under 7 AMT/ aircraft. They are proposing shedding 3100 jobs in maintenance.
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Hog would that be through attrition, as guys retire? Or your position is now line bump people?
 
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