Aircraft maint issues

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

This is trumps America and that does not mean take care of the union workers.

Your conditioning is showing.

 

[MetalMover]

I personally think we should be highest paid AMTs, but I realize that the highest paid AMTs should be doing work that requires an A&P license.

That's all fine and dandy unless they keep moving A&P work over to fleet!

 

[1AA]

I personally think we should be highest paid AMTs, but I realize that the highest paid AMTs should be doing work that requires an A&P license.

We do. You have to go to Brazil, Argentina, Chile and any other South American country we have AA people working our metal.

 

[swamt]

I think mediation will come to an impass and both parties will agree to binding arbitration so both can blame the arbitrator. Our union couldn’t even agree on seniority. So they got an arbitrator.

Unfortunately that will probably take another year plus

Not being negative on purpose here, but, we took 3 years plus with mediation with much less items still open than you guys have, plus you guys have the other seniority issues within each side to still iron out, and to have a third party decide that is not good for either side. I do not see you guys with anything to vote on in a year plus, I see more like 2-3 years plus. Sorry, just being realistic here.

 

[bigjets]

That's all fine and dandy unless they keep moving A&P work over to fleet!

I guess you don’t know this working at Tulsa and all, but de icing and towing aircraft don’t require an A&P, the basic rule of thumb, if you have to sign a logbook for work you have done, that is work requiring an A&P.

 

[bigjets]

We do. You have to go to Brazil, Argentina, Chile and any other South American country we have AA people working our metal.

You forgot to mention AA mechs in Paris and LHR. I’m sure there are more cities that we are not mentioning.

Miami has 3 hgr bays and 2 wide body phase checks. LAX has 6 hgr bays and 3 barrow body phase checks.

DFW 20 hgr bays NO phase checks. AA will get it’s work done. Wether by us or Brazilian AA mechs.

I think the association should concentrate on doing all A&P work not the other type of work that could be done by a FSC.

 

[MetalMover]

I guess you don’t know this working at Tulsa and all, but de icing and towing aircraft don’t require an A&P, the basic rule of thumb, if you have to sign a logbook for work you have done, that is work requiring an A&P.

Thanks for the lesson. I never knew that, genius.
So, I won't shed any tears when de-icing gets outsourced completely, because after all, you don't have to be fleet service to deice.
Mechanics aren't allowed to talk about jobs lost in the past...But here we have fleet service crying about de-icing...A SEASONAL job function which puts lucrative OT in the trash heap.
BOOHOOO!

 

[MetalMover]

You forgot to mention AA mechs in Paris and LHR. I’m sure there are more cities that we are not mentioning.

Miami has 3 hgr bays and 2 wide body phase checks. LAX has 6 hgr bays and 3 barrow body phase checks.

DFW 20 hgr bays NO phase checks. AA will get it’s work done. Wether by us or Brazilian AA mechs.

I think the association should concentrate on doing all A&P work not the other type of work that could be done by a FSC.

JFK 7 bays one 757 B'check.

Wait until Brazil hangar up and running at full steam.
The TWU and ASSociation will still be begging the government to outlaw outsourcing.

 

[WeAAsles]

JFK 7 bays one 757 B'check.

Wait until Brazil hangar up and running at full steam.
The TWU and ASSociation will still be begging the government to outlaw outsourcing.

So on the subject all you can offer is criticisms without any solutions?

Better they do nothing at all?

Your Class and Craft Union out there with it’s less than 3000 Members Nationwide is really doing a great job fixing the cracked egg aren’t they Metal.

 

[WeAAsles]

Here is something to ponder, IAM pension, APA 16% APFA 9.5% 401k contribution TWU 5.5% 401k match

6 years of our association and half of the members best contract in industry the other half the worst contract in industry.

bigjets it’s still an ongoing debate if the IAMPF is a better deal than our 5.5% Match?

On the APFA it’s a 9.9% Contribution but you had to be 50 years or older on the 2012 Seniority roster to gain the full amount or else you got less depending on your age.

And all the FA’s go down to the same 5.5% Match deal we have on January 1.

https://www.apfa.org/images/jcba/Section-26G.pdf

 

[1AA]

JFK 7 bays one 757 B'check.

Wait until Brazil hangar up and running at full steam.
The TWU and ASSociation will still be begging the government to outlaw outsourcing.

The association calls it outsourcing.
The company says it's company work bring done by AA people. I guess we need the arbitrators and the President of the USA to determine who is correct. In the meantime we are waiting for a negotiations schedule from the mediators.

 

[1AA]

bigjets it’s still an ongoing debate if the IAMPF is a better deal than our 5.5% Match?

On the APFA it’s a 9.9% Contribution but you had to be 50 years or older on the 2012 Seniority roster to gain the full amount or else you got less depending on your age.

And all the FA’s go down to the same 5.5% Match deal we have on January 1.

https://www.apfa.org/images/jcba/Section-26G.pdf

It may be a better deal if:
The pension is financially stable for years ahead.

If your young and have many years of service with AA to invest in the fund.

For the current AA members it's a scam deal because most of us are well into our 50's and beyond. There is not enough time left in our careers to be invested and retire by 65.

 

[B737 driver]

JFK 7 bays one 757 B'check.

Wait until Brazil hangar up and running at full steam.
The TWU and ASSociation will still be begging the government to outlaw outsourcing.

Can you imagine how much cheaper the taxes are in Brazil , or no taxes, then say the state of New York?

 

[WeAAsles]

It may be a better deal if:
The pension is financially stable for years ahead.

If your young and have many years of service with AA to invest in the fund.

Hey man I thought you had me on ignore? (Just kidding ya ok)

Both points above are good and I absolutely agree. I deleted your third paragraph though cause I wouldn’t exactly call it a scam as much as otherwise your point there was good too.

No if you’re older and have a limited time left you plan to stay and you already have your frozen AA DBP and are maximizing your 401k you are probably better off staying the course.

BTW 1AA I don’t think the IAMPF is going to be offered to us at all and I don’t think it has anything to do with our current stall out.

The main drivers are SCOPE (Predominantly a TWU issue) and Medical Costs (Predominantly an IAM issue) but both issues have concerns shared by both Unions.

 

[MetalMover]

Can you imagine how much cheaper the taxes are in Brazil , or no taxes, then say the state of New York?

Taxes... How about SALARIES?
Cheaper than any state in the US I bet.