Aircraft maint issues

[bigjets]

My perception of this proposal is, this is the highest contract in the industry, but since we have thousands more AMTs auto mechs and facility mechs this looks less as it is spread out over a wider group.

AA wants to offer buy out for 15 year plus mechs to bring down head count with most expensive employees and to buy their vote. Another case of guys voting yes for a contract they don’t have to work under.

The union wants everything in the contract to be the best and keep the headcount. I say buyout should come before the contract and then we get industry leading Contract and if there has to be a layoff so be it. When the mechs come back off of layoff, they will be working under the best possible working conditions.

AA should be the airline that every Student mech strives to work for. The other airline AMTs should want to work at AA because of strong benefits and pay.

 

[B737 driver]

My pension isn’t frozen, it was terminated. Did you not read the post you are quoting?

Already answered and explained, go read it again.

And you blew off the whole post.

AA froze the TWU represented employees pension and have to make up the shortfall in the plans for around $2 billion as its underfunded.

Ok stupid if you had a 401k, it wouldn't be terminated.

 

[MetalMover]

One thing I will say.....We have learned more about negotiations this past week than in the last 2 1/2 years!
Stay tuned for the union's response to the Jetnet videos.

 

[The Watcher]

When you can actually keep up with the topic and hold a conversation come back.

Once again you ignored the information and you don’t grasp the subjects at hand.

How much value has your 401k lost over the serious past downward corrections of the market?

Until you actually answer what was asked and understand the process and how things work, I’m done as you clearly don’t get it.

Who makes up the losses in your 401k?

When it runs out of funds which it will for certain people, what do you do the?

 

[WeAAsles]

One thing I will say.....We have learned more about negotiations this past week than in the last 2 1/2 years!
Stay tuned for the union's response to the Jetnet videos.

Metal I like and respect your opinion. Might not always agree with it but you always present it courteously.

So looking at all presented in the letter and now the videos, what’s your opinion of it?

(With and without the buyout attached)

 

[Bob Owens]

All very good points Bob. Yes the IAM has done everything they could to keep us where we are and they do not deserve our support because we certainly did not get theirs. You are also correct they had morons kissing Isom's a$$ at the town hall and singing Parker's praises. But I just don't think it's right for us to allow them concessions. Not saying anyone should agree with me but I'm just saying is all. I'm a no vote for many reasons and the medical is just one. I also am not going to vote yes for the broken IAMNPF and I also do not trust the association on that. I also have grown to mistrust Gary Peterson. He got his international job and so he was bought and could do what others have done before and sell us out to pad his own nest egg. Peterson has already given away things without discussion or consulting local presidents that are affected by this stuff. What about medical for retirees? United can use saved sick time to pay for theirs right? Spread the word and convince as many as you can that this is crap. But we also need to find a way to get rid of the association as we cannot trust the IAM or the TWU. But nice to know the company figures fifteen years of concessions are worth $3K a piece. We lost two hundred times that.

I agree with No Concessions but lets face the fact that AA does not want and will not agree to go back to a real Defined Benefit Pension, not going to happen, so the next best thing is to get what the pilots got, a 16% contribution. Gary's International job is a no pay job and the International of today is different than what we had under the Little Regime, first off the padded Pension is gone and so are the A5 Passes. I'm not saying that we can trust them, but at least they aren't being paid off by the Company like the Little regime used to be. As far as the Association they have repeatedly shown us what we can expect. We saw that when they promised us a vote then reneged, we saw that when the TWU held protests and the IAM had guys praising Parker. If anyone has the energy to do so now would be the best time to start a drive, before they jam us all into the IAMNPF. We see it now with the fact that even though the company knows what they are asking for they wont tell us. The contract becomes amendable in 6 months, do we really want to give them another six months to do what should have been done three years ago? Its been six years since we signed the bankruptcy agreement, 15 years since the pre=bankruptcy concessions.

 

[MetalMover]

Metal I like and respect your opinion. Might not always agree with it but you always present it courteously.

So looking at all presented in the letter and now the videos, what’s your opinion of it?

(With and without the buyout attached)

As I have stated many times........Given all we have given in terms of concessions, we should never have to give another concession again...But sadly, that is not how it works....I know the devil is in the details, but seeing and hearing the details today, I have to say it's not all that bad. LUS IAM folks won't agree with respect to the medical and pension issues. The company has moved substantially from what little the union has leaked out to us. Definitely a step in the right direction.
More vacation, sick time and holidays/holiday premium do sound good. The increase in premiums also sound good. A year's pay for those ready to retire is definitely a good thing. The outsourcing stays for the line but increase for the base. Something in the contract for many to like and many to dislike.
Now that it's all out there, I think certain items can be tweaked and we can hopefully expect a vote sooner rather than later.
But we have to see the ENTIRE package.

And I agree with Bob Owens...Getting our DB pension back won't happen. I know the union is fighting for it, but I think that is a losing battle.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

One thing I will say.....We have learned more about negotiations this past week than in the last 2 1/2 years!
Stay tuned for the union's response to the Jetnet videos.

Agreed. The daily rebuttals from the union is refreshing. The over 600 comments on last weeks jetnet article got the company attention imho. Todays jetnet videos are sure to keep things interesting.

 

[MetalMover]

Agreed. The daily rebuttals from the union is refreshing. The over 600 comments on last weeks jetnet article got the company attention imho. Todays jetnet videos are sure to keep things interesting.

Stay tuned for the ongoing saga.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Stay tuned for the ongoing saga.

The information coming out now is what we have been asking for. Some good, some not so much. Still much room for improvement and we need much more detail. At the end of the day each of us has our own criteria for a yes or no vote. Good times.

 

[MetalMover]

The information coming out now is what we have been asking for. Some good, some not so much. Still much room for improvement and we need much more detail. At the end of the day each of us has our own criteria for a yes or no vote. Good times.

I'm actually enjoying it immensely.

 

[AANOTOK]

The information coming out now is what we have been asking for. Some good, some not so much. Still much room for improvement and we need much more detail. At the end of the day each of us has our own criteria for a yes or no vote. Good times.

It’s my understanding that the Association or Executive Council have to be unanimous before it is presented for a vote. Is this correct?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

It’s my understanding that the Association or Executive Council have to be unanimous before it is presented for a vote. Is this correct?

IDK. I believe the international can override the NC and send it out for a vote.

 

[MetalMover]

It’s my understanding that the Association or Executive Council have to be unanimous before it is presented for a vote. Is this correct?

I'm not sure about unanimous vote, but since the association is 50/50, whatever union is chairing at the time is the tiebreaker??????????????

 

[OldGuy@AA]

I agree with No Concessions but lets face the fact that AA does not want and will not agree to go back to a real Defined Benefit Pension, not going to happen, so the next best thing is to get what the pilots got, a 16% contribution. Gary's International job is a no pay job and the International of today is different than what we had under the Little Regime, first off the padded Pension is gone and so are the A5 Passes. I'm not saying that we can trust them, but at least they aren't being paid off by the Company like the Little regime used to be. As far as the Association they have repeatedly shown us what we can expect. We saw that when they promised us a vote then reneged, we saw that when the TWU held protests and the IAM had guys praising Parker. If anyone has the energy to do so now would be the best time to start a drive, before they jam us all into the IAMNPF. We see it now with the fact that even though the company knows what they are asking for they wont tell us. The contract becomes amendable in 6 months, do we really want to give them another six months to do what should have been done three years ago? Its been six years since we signed the bankruptcy agreement, 15 years since the pre=bankruptcy concessions.

I agree with everything you said. We (TWU) may be in a no win situation. If they don't show up at the next demonstration in numbers I will not support their issues anymore. We're taking a bullet every pay day for them.