Aircraft maint issues

[WeAAsles]

Do you realize it took our CBA to be abrogated for that to happen?

I believe there may be at least one reader that comes to this thread who doesn’t know what the word “abrogate” means.

Synonyms of abrogate. abate, abolish, annul, avoid, cancel, disannul, dissolve, invalidate, negate, null, nullify, quash, repeal, rescind, roll back, strike down, vacate, void.

 

[conehead777]

D checks? Where you been? Maint checks have changed names in our industry twice in the last 20 years.
Again you are wrong. We have 4 lines of heavy maint that are a lot more than the c check lines. Even your fellow mechs at AA know this. Your knowledge itself speaks volumes. I don't post fake news, I am just posting facts you know nothing about therefore you claim they are fake news. Take the blinders off.

Because Tom is n700 a ex stock clerk not a amt

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

There was something I recall in the AMR BK where Judge Lane did have to tread cautiously to not give AA an unfair advantage against its competitors. (Fed Ex and UPS were never mentioned as such)

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/judge-tells-airline-work-it-out-with-unions/

“The only thing I have in front of me,” he said of the so-called Section 1113 hearing, “is whether to reject a collective-bargaining agreement. You’re all still stuck with each other. You still have to negotiate new agreements.”

 

[B737 driver]

Because Tom is n700 a ex stock clerk not a amt

That's easy to prove 777, ask him technical questions that only an AMT can answer, questions about your MPM or other procedures.

 

[767 mechanic]

Do you realize it took our CBA to be abrogated for that to happen?

Do you realize that does not matter. You cry about amfa at swa when that has been their business model from the start when the iam was on the property. Your beloved iam was the union that allowed it start off with. Where is your criticism of them? You want change overnight when its amfa but you have a different standard when it comes to the iam. Remember on this present contract when they gave the membership 1 day to vote (a Friday) when 1/3 of the membership was off and they had to go to the union hall to vote. All because the iam wanted a yes vote before the quarterly profits came out on the following Wed. You new what the outsourcing percentage was at usair but you still were giving the swa guys a hard time when your O/S is almost the same and your iam is trying to allow the same percentage at AA. As far as picketing goes the iam could set up a picket at one of there hubs but they don't because they are bought and paid for. The twu is far from great but at least they allow the local reps in negotiations and the iam only allows there international appointees. The iam is just as corrupt as the teamsters.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

We lost scope language in the second chapter 11 case when our CBA was abrogated, do you not understand what that means?

That means the court wiped out our CBA.

After the second chapter 11 US had the right to outsource with no limitations due to the abrogation.

In the 2008 JCBA with the HP merger, we were able to secure 50% of billable hour must be done in-house, we also gained minimum head counts for PIT and CLT Heavy Maintenance combined, and protected line stations and no outsourcing of line maintenance at all.

Thats what you call an improvement, it was less than three years outside of chapter 11.

AMFA has been at WN for 15 years and have secured only one line extra and that was in exchange for foreign outsourcing.

Big difference, but you will slant it to your own wrong idea of what happened.

And you are wrong on who the IAM allows in negotiations, one of the mechanic and related is a lead stock clerk with no District title at all. He is a shop steward in CLT.

And in the past there has been plenty of local people in negotiations, who hold no District or International office.

The vote you talk about is Boeing. My District had nothing to do with that.

 

[Buck]

Aircraft Maintenance Issues under American Airlines: Why isn't the IAM helping the TWU get a contract?
IAM has all these contractual benefits and makes no effort for their fellow members of the Association to enjoy these items. The time will come when a vote will be needed to help the IAM members and the TWU will remember.

 

[B737 driver]

We lost scope language in the second chapter 11 case when our CBA was abrogated, do you not understand what that means?

That means the court wiped out our CBA.

After the second chapter 11 US had the right to outsource with no limitations due to the abrogation.

In the 2008 JCBA with the HP merger, we were able to secure 50% of billable hour must be done in-house, we also gained minimum head counts for PIT and CLT Heavy Maintenance combined, and protected line stations and no outsourcing of line maintenance at all.

Thats what you call an improvement, if less than three years outside of chapter 11.

AMFA has been at WN for 15 years and have secured only one line extra and that was in exchange for foreign outsourcing.

Big difference, but you will slant it to your own wrong idea of what happened.

And you are wrong on who the IAM allows in negotiations, one of the mechanic and related is a lead stock clerk with no District title at all. He is a shop steward in CLT.

And in the past there has been plenty of local people in negotiations, who hold no District or International office.

Why would you have a stock clerk negotiating a mechanics contract?

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Stock Clerks are on the same contract, so yes I would like a stock clerk there so that group has representation in negotiations.

There have been GSE, Plant Mtc,Utility and Stores on our previous Negotiating Committees.

Educate yourself on our CBA at LUS before you comment on something you have no idea about. Mr Flip Flop.

Would Stock Clerks like mechanics negotiating for them?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

That's easy to prove 777, ask him technical questions that only an AMT can answer, questions about your MPM or other procedures.

What's an MPM?

Is it a Maintenance Procedures Manual?

Because you know......... Google.

You might have to get a bit more "technical" and "AMT" than that.

Ahh the internet. It's a brave new world. Until the FCC guts it that is.

 

[swamt]

AMFA has been there 15 years, stop blaming the IBT.

Yes and they have improved the contract, brought in more work, added hundreds of headcount since AMFA's inception, doubling the heavy lines, added c checks, added work to backshops, installed limitations and now the co. needs union blessing to go over seas whereas the never needed the unions blessing before with the teamsters they just did it with no recourses from the teamsters because there was nothing in contract to stop them, no teeth.

 

[swamt]

Swamt still spouting bull****. When was foreign soil outsourcing agreed to under who's leadership at SWA? Do history- contract extension check. Give a hint . 2008. Swamt full of **** and just spouts off. Related to Hackboy. Quit blaming the Teamsters for ur current dilemna. Take some ownership. How's those Federal lawsuits pending working out? Your next mediated session is ????? Oh I forgot. You will wait em out. Hell of a negotiating strategy. Have no choice until lawsuits are litigated. Wow . Guy is dillusional and believes his own bull****. As always- Go Figure.

You are partially correct. It was after AMFA took over, but, it was the teamsters language that allowed it. The first outsourcing outside USA was not Aeroman, it was to Canada while still teamsters sir. You are the one just spouting off about info you know nothing about. As far as the extension? That is exactly what it was an extension of SAME contract with new pay raises. Language stayed the same as it was an extension so it was in fact the teamsters language. We had 2 or 3 extensions after the terror attacks until things got back to the norm, BTW what did your union do for you during that same time period???

 

[swamt]

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And there it is again, and I quote; "negotiating the best contract in the industry, with us". As of yet they have not offered best in industry as promised.

 

[swamt]

Do you know what the iam allows at usair? Probably not!!!! The iam allows 50% outsourcing of heavy maintenance and this does not include all of the back shops. If you figure the lose of the back shops the iam allows 68% outsourcing of heavy maintenance and this does not include line maintenance that gets outsourced. With that included your well over 70%. People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Wow 67, did not know it was basically the same as we do. Our last numbers from or liason was we were at 72.8%. Since that report I do believe we might have touched 75% but the company also has since pulled all 4 maint. lines out of Aeroman, so we are probably a lot closure to the 70% now as they were doing nose to tail 4 non stop lines of maint, if I were to guess probably 48 aircraft per year to start.
767, do you have any indications of how much more the company is asking for as far as outsourcing with the new JCBA? Good luck in the pursue of a new JCBA...

 

[B737 driver]

Stock Clerks are on the same contract, so yes I would like a stock clerk there so that group has representation in negotiations.

There have been GSE, Plant Mtc,Utility and Stores on our previous Negotiating Committees.

Educate yourself on our CBA at LUS before you comment on something you have no idea about. Mr Flip Flop.

Would Stock Clerks like mechanics negotiating for them?

No but I would want a mechanic negotiating for me, might not get stuff for the mechanics, if the stock clerk gets theirs