Airbus Arbitration Scheduled

[PITbull]

AP tech,

I agree with your sentiments.

MAA is awful for employement. It was just created as a "slave ship" to ensure profitablity for a bunch of "wall street" gamblers.

It sickening what I am witnessing and the conditions our people are living in for a sake of a job. I had to talk 4 f/as into not qutting yesterday, cause they won't be able to collect even unemployment.

I get so upset over this, you just don't know who to blame, and you don't know where to start to force some kind of improvements for all of our professions' sake.
How could the gov. stand by and let American livable wage jobs turn into poverty, while this administration spends $87 billion in IRAQ.

Told the f/as to hold on until the MAA negotiations are completed. We will see if the MAA negotiating committee can have movement the week of the 19th to improve conditions for these folks.

And this management thinks we will come to the table so they can impoverish us on mainline as well.auhh, ya-ah :down:

 

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

Pitbul. I digress for a momement. Agree with your frustration over MAA, must be pure hell. After all, it was formed to lower costs, so, the afa, and maint. group is in a bad position from the beginning. BUT.............(the preverbial, but!!!!), what does "this administration" spending 87 Billion in Iraq have to do with anything??? Last time i looked, the federal government does not sign my paycheck,NOR SHOULD THEY!!!!!!! Just a friendly reminder of a previous "chat"!!!! KEEP SMILING!!!! GOOD DAY....MORE LATER!!!!!

 

[usfliboi]

I know cav!!!!! Pitbull, I see your point however eith way they lose.

 

[blueoceans]

"How could the gov. stand by and let American livable wage jobs turn into poverty, while this administration spends $87 billion in IRAQ."

Nonsense. Just look at the recent U.S. Census. Median household income is high and steady, per capita income continues to rise and poverty levels continue to decline. If your personal experience is otherwise, it's unfortunate. But market forces causing change in an industry segment is hardly anything new.

 

[cavalier]

Capt....here's what you are missing. I no longer care, period, really I don't. I was recently out of town for several days seeking other opportunities. I am actively looking to move on and forward, with MY plan and NOT forward with their plan.

Every mechanic I work with is looking beyond this company and feels as I do, they just don't care. That fact scares people such as yourself because you still care.

We have hit the bottom rung, nowhere else to go and all we can do now is stand and fight, what's left?

Sure you and your type will never understand this mentality, but when you have arrived at this point things look different, your perspective changes, you’re calm and ready for whatever comes knowing no matter what, you will fight for what’s right and not go down vanquished, but will still maintain your self respect and dignity.

I have been here before; it doesn't scare me in the least, it is just another sharp turn in the road of life.

Que sera, sera

 

[700UW]

The IAM is about to enter a very risky proceeding where the odds favor the company who has won most grievances from a historical perspective.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot

Please provide us the facts on this one, since you are not an IAM member, an AGC, GC, Grievance Committeeman, or an IAM shop steward, provide us with facts.

But I won't hold my breath, as most of us know you on these boards and you won't respond because you don't have facts and you know you are wrong!

12 hours later, still waiting a320pilot, where are your facts?

 

[tug_slug]

Nonsense. Just look at the recent U.S. Census

Blue Oceans would you be able to provide a link to such information?
From what Ive been led to believe unemployments the highest its been in 40 years.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Cav:

From a historical perspective management wins most grievances and if the IAM loses this battle, the writing is on the wall for our mechanics, who are some of the best in the industry. In hub maintenance cities the former US Airways mechanic competition for post US Airways jobs will be intense with thousands of people looking for work with unemployment rates at all time highs.

After all of the emotion after what has occurred, Siegel's comment is true that if new contracts aren't agreeable, rather than to fight the change. "If it doesn't work, I'd encourage you to support the change, and then go on and find something else," he said. "It's better to have a job when you're trying to find another job."

Furthermore, why try to hurt fellow colleagues within your own work group who might like to get their job or have a job in transition? There are thousands of mechaniccs, pilots, and other airline workers who are working in aviation at pay and benefits lower than our company, e.g. American Airlines, Express Carriers, and third party contractors, who were unable to secure something better.

Thus, it's better to have a job and medical benefits while in transition, if it comes to that and then move on, if necessary, because there will be people waiting in line for our jobs.

For example, a few weeks ago the LaGuardia station held interviews for up to 8 new part time CAR's positions, with have a starting pay of $8.01 per hour. Do you know how many people showed up for the interview? 400, which indicates just how bad things are.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

Cav,
If I was the IAM for a day, I would meet with the company and negotiate “Going Forward Planâ€￾ changes and then send the tentative agreement (TA) out to the membership to decide their fate.
USA320Pilot

There is nothing to meet on and negotiate when they can't adhere to the current language.

And I saw you on the thread, still waiting for your facts!

 

[700UW]

From a historical perspective management wins most grievances and if the IAM loses this battle, the writing is on the wall for our mechanics, who are some of the best in the industry. In hub maintenance cities the former US Airways mechanic competition for post US Airways jobs will be intense with thousands of people looking for work with unemployment rates at all time highs.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot

Still waiting for your facts!

 

[mweiss]

Blue Oceans would you be able to provide a link to such information?
From what Ive been led to believe unemployments the highest its been in 40 years.

The irony is you're both right. Of those who are employed, a smaller percentage is below the poverty line than ever before. Yet, unemployment (defined as people who want to work but cannot find gainful employment) is at its highest level in decades.

Also, note that the census to which Blue Oceans refers was taken before the recession hit.

 

[700UW]

Let me post something from another thread, and still waiting a320pilot

The meaning of falsehoods is the wrong information posted by a320pilot and the real facts is what information I have offered to the boards.


First falsehood

The legal battle was over Major VS Minor dispute, the legal battle was not over the contract language.

The last time I checked the grievance and arbitration process is STILL part of the legal battle and it has NOT been lost.

Second falsehood

How many times do you have to be told, the company NEVER EVER provided a cost-effective solution to the airbus maintenance issue. Like I have told you NUMEROUS times. The IAM met with the company and the company informed via a letter and a grievance to the IAM that the company was farming out the airbus and wanted to arbitrate the issue. The IAM presented SEVERAL options of how to perform the maintenance in-house as required by the contract.

US Airways can close your LGA base and base you in BFE also.

Third Falsehood

Prove to me what important grievances the IAM has lost! You are not an IAM member or a union rep, so how do you know? (more cockpit chronicles with Jerry?)

Lets list the major arbitrations the IAM and the company have had in recent years.
401K match grievance won by the IAM and US forced to pay millions in past matching contributions.

HMO grievance, won by the IAM company forced to repay millions in overcharges in HMO coverage.

Meal cart outsourcing repair, company lost, had to pay monetary damages and bring the work back in-house.

Radome outsourcing, won by the IAM work forced back in-house and monetary damages award.

Terminated employee reinstated $70,000 in back wages paid to member.

Attendance Control Arbitration, won by the IAM employees reinstated and attendance records of all employees wiped clean.

Cleaning grievances won daily and monetary awards paid.

Contract maintenance grievances on line airplanes won daily, monetary awards paid.

So mr a320pilot, please inform me of the IAM lost important information, since you know you are 100% off base you won't reply. I would like to know why do you constantly post WRONG information, to try and prove your points? Why do you continue to post wrong information when proven wrong? And why are you obsessed with the IAM? Because we have gonads and won't bend over like your group constantly does?

Fourth Falsehood

The company by FAR and laws cannot just get rid of a department, a group of employees covered by a legal and binding federal regulated contract under the RLA. Every airplane must been seen by a US Airways mechanic once per day per the FAA and US otherwise it won't be legal to fly. It would be the equivalent of a Mesa pilot telling step out of the cockpit, it is now my job to be captain of the A320 flown by US Airways.

Fifth Falsehood

The IAM is NOT going to negotiate with the company at all on concessions, can you not fathom every single press release or statements from the IAM. And you idol seigel said EVERY union has to participate, did you not see the webcast? Do I need to tell Dave his #1 fan is putting out information that is 180 degrees opposite of what Dave is telling everyone?

Sixth Falsehood
Southwest and Jetblue have maintenance performed EVERYDAY in-house, what are you thinking?

WN has heavy mtc in PHX and LUV, they perform ALL their C-Checks in-house, do 1/4-D-Checks in-house and have various component shops now, and WN is bringing more maintenance in-house everyday as they are growing too large to have the strict QA that they all ready have in-place to continue.

Jetblue has a hangar in JFK and MCO where they perform in-house maintenance daily, in MCO they do their plane acceptance checks and install passenger convenience items such at Direct TV. Jetblue is building a brand new state of the art maintenance facility in MCO as we speak.
Oh by the way Maintenance is one of the only departments in this company that can MAKE A PROFIT without any US Airways planes or passengers.


You have really fallen off the deep end and I am getting concerned about your mental health, it seems you have some issues and I might have to inform ALPA and Company medical and the FAA and show them your postings to show your mental state might have some problems.

At least we know when US goes out of business you have a great career path ahead of you writing fiction.

And why are obsessed with the IAM? I mean since you said repeatedly you don't care, but you spend an awful lot of time and energy trying to paint the IAM as bad people and telling us what to do. By the way why don't you call Bill Pollock or Duane Worth and ask them what General Vice President of Transportation has informed ALPA of!

 

[blueoceans]

I usually use government websites, ex. census.gov. There are any number of tables there.

Employment info can be found at the Dept. of Labor. I see this report shows 2003 unemployment at 6%, and the last time the rate was aove 6% was in 1991, 1992, 1993 and 1994.

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/lf/aat1.txt

 

[PITbull]

mweiss,

The unemployment statistics are gathered by those who collect uenmployment benefits. Astonishingly, Congress did not extend unemployment benefits for additional weeks. You can see clearly how important American jobs are to this administration. This apathy is a result of a Republican Administation/ Republican House/Repulican Senate suppression of the workers and the sanctioning of Corporate Greed and their Execs.

 

[mweiss]

PITbull, you already know that I know that. This is the reason I carefully defined "unemployment" above. BLS underestimates unemployment in really bad times, though not exactly by design.