AFA upset that + sizes can't wear red dress..

[LukeAisleWalker]

and Thank You! for making the group feel so welcome . . .

You're welcome, I guess, Dignity. But I'm not sure if that was meant in a sarcastic tone as you can't always detect intent online.
Now, I will ask for the THIRD time--if you please:
Are NW f/a's permitted to use a seatbelt extension on the jumpseat?
I'm curious, why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question? If you don't know, then that's fine. And the reason I ask is if the answer in "no", then this whole topic is moot as a f/a wearing a size 28 anything isn't going to be flying. Not sure about NW but at Delta-- when at recurrent and she (or he but we're talking about a dress) can not properly fasten the j/s belt for the evac drill, then she is removed from flight status until such time as the j/s belt can be fastened. At Delta, it is considered a safety violation to have to wear a seatbelt extension on the jumpseat---same as at an exit row for pax. They can not be worn.

 

[Kev3188]

the word you choose was illegal and without further clarification, made absolutely no sense at all.

Okay, fine. "A violation of a federal act that is enforceable in a court of law"

Better?

but, I think people are smarter than that..

No one's calling you gullible, stupid, or whatever perjorative you want to use. That's the magic of manufactured truths; the more subtle, the more effective. Most of the time it's served it's purpose before anyone knows what's going on.

and all it would be is imagination.

we are not allowed to discuss these type of issues on the aircraft and furthermore simply are professional enough to focus on the job and customers.

No one's saying your not 100% focused on the customers, but you don't honestly expect me to believe that *no one* is discussing this anywhere, do you? Really?

so lets pull all the shades, block up the windows.. close those shutters tight and go hover in the corner and not make a peep.

Wrong. Just look at this press frenzy for what it may be.


Look, you can call me crazy if you want... It won't be the first time. The fact that you're so adamantly trying to discredit what I'm saying leads me to believe you may think I'm right on some level.

whoever is responsible leaking this to the press creating a world wide embarrassment, I would like to know.

I'd want to know, too, if I were you...

 

[Dignity]

No time is being wasted

each individual will view the situation differently..

every day hundreds of people are putting in hourse to ensure our collective bargaining rights continue.

and a thank you is in order.. for those people who are truely working on our behalf..

assume that we will continue to have these rights

I honestly believe that people can sort through all these perceived distractions, websites, blogs, opinions and ultimately make a decision.. what they feel is right for not only themselves but the group.

I will support that decision, when it happens, regardless of the outcome.

but if we aren't adequately prepared to handle

while I fully understand what you are implying, having that type of attitude, one will always be looking for the 'right time' there is no such thing...

when will be the right time, to do the right thing?

personally feel we are past the time, for those to determine the direction that is necessary to take.. in order to move forward.

That is not an acceptable outcome to me!

that is fair and absolutely your right regarding your opinion!

 

[Dignity]

Okay, fine. "A violation of a federal act that is enforceable in a court of law"

Better?

well its at least clarification.

No one's calling you gullible, stupid, or whatever perjorative you want to use. That's the magic of manufactured truths; the more subtle, the more effective. Most of the time it's served it's purpose before anyone knows what's going on.

I did not take that comment personally.

No one's saying your not 100% focused on the customers, but you don't honestly expect me to believe that *no one* is discussing this anywhere, do you? Really?

I assume people can believe what they want, but then all I can go on is simply what is experienced and what is witnessed, and I just know these discussions do not take place on the aircraft..

Wrong. Just look at this press frenzy for what it may be.

that is contradicting your earlier comments..

Look, you can call me crazy if you want... It won't be the first time. The fact that you're so adamantly trying to discredit what I'm saying leads me to believe you may think I'm right on some level.

first of all I do not think you are crazy and i am not trying to discredit your comments, I find value when others share their ideas and opinions because overall everyone can see a situation from all sides. its that whole idea of perspectives I mentioned earlier.

I'd want to know, too, if I were you...

I do not know if that was meant as an insult or whatever the case may be..

being an NW Flight Attendant, It doesnt bother me so much anymore even if it was, because Im use to be treated like :censored:....(unfortunately)

 

[FWAAA]

they are on board for passengers who are sitting in passenger seats that request them. they cannot be used at passenger exit rows (and that is an F.A.R. to my knowledge) ..now how any other airline defines "exit row" I do not know!

Your knowledge is lacking. There are no FARs prohibiting the use of seat belt extensions by customers in exit rows.

About the dress? Any woman not fitting in a size 18 dress really should seek help to cure their obesity before it kills them prematurely.

 

[Dignity]

Your knowledge is lacking. There are no FARs prohibiting the use of seat belt extensions by customers in exit rows.

I know there is an FAR for exit seating.. and I know there is criteria that will not allow someone to be able to be seated at that row..such as a few... anyone younger than 15, cannot read or understand instructions be it written or spoken to, asking for a seat belt extension that is absolutely necessary to be used...

my knowledge is not lacking and I do not appreciate anyone trying to discredit my training.

especially when it is not the topic !

About the dress? Any woman not fitting in a size 18 dress really should seek help to cure their obesity before it kills them prematurely.

and I am sure they deeply appreciate your sincere and tackful suggestion....

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

"that's it"", that's all folks", "that's all she wrote"...those seat belt extensions are for passenger use only and not allowed at exit row seats..

at our airline.

Well, thanks to FWAA for quoting one of your older posts, I was able to finally get an answer to the question---I think.

A size 28 would need a seat belt extension. And don't forget that the navy uniform items are also ordered by agents as well---they don't have j/s, safety requirements...that's why they go up to xtra large sizes.
So, in essence, this is a closed case in my opinion. Next topic.

Update edit:
In addition, in order for the grievance in relation to the red dress to be valid, I think you would have to have a NW AFA member be able to strap into the jumpseat (w/out aid of an extension) and STILL not be able to order the dress in her size. In other words, if she is able to strap in without the extension and is a size 20, then this portion of the grievance has some validity...and maybe that's the case. I don't know. But without that finding, it is pointless, IMHO.

 

[Kev3188]

I do not know if that was meant as an insult or whatever the case may be..

Not an insult at all. You have a dog in this fight, not me; I have my own election to worry about...

being an NW Flight Attendant, It doesnt bother me so much anymore even if it was, because Im use to be treated like :censored:....(unfortunately)

Yeah well, so are those of us right outside your window...

 

[Dignity]

Next topic.

I agree.

 

[Dignity]

I have my own election to worry about...

I wish all involved the best of success.

Yeah well, so are those of us right outside your window...

that would basically make "us" in my backyard...(all in it together) and I have always supported my own, and I know exactly what we all have been through...

 

[FWAAA]

I know there is an FAR for exit seating.. and I know there is criteria that will not allow someone to be able to be seated at that row..such as a few... anyone younger than 15, cannot read or understand instructions be it written or spoken to, asking for a seat belt extension that is absolutely necessary to be used...

Everyone posting to this website is familiar with 121.585, the FAR on exit seating. And nowhere in that rule (nor anywhere else in the FARs) are any restrictions on passengers using seat belt extensions. Your airline is free to prohibit their use, but the federal rules do not require that prohibition.

my knowledge is not lacking and I do not appreciate anyone trying to discredit my training.

I'm not discrediting your training. I'm pointing out that you're posting nonsense about 121.585 that's not supported by reality.

especially when it is not the topic !

You brought up the subject of exit row seating and claimed that seat belt extensions were prohibited in exit row seats by an FAR.

And like it or not, fat FAs are part of the topic, as is their use of seat belt extensions on jumpseats. For some unknown reason, you chose to post incorrectly about restrictions on passenger seat belt extension use.

 

[Dignity]

Everyone posting to this website is familiar with 121.585, the FAR on exit seating. And nowhere in that rule (nor anywhere else in the FARs) are any restrictions on passengers using seat belt extensions. Your airline is free to prohibit their use, but the federal rules do not require that prohibition.

I understand all of that, and I know the FAR as well as company policy and procedures.
the entire comment was directed solely in reference to a question ask pertaining to the airline.

I'm pointing out that you're posting nonsense about 121.585 that's not supported by reality.



You brought up the subject of exit row seating and claimed that seat belt extensions were prohibited in exit row seats by an FAR.

I stated there is an FAR and I also stated I did not write policy and procedures.

And like it or not, fat FAs are part of the topic, as is their use of seat belt extensions on jumpseats. For some unknown reason, you chose to post incorrectly about restrictions on passenger seat belt extension use.

I was interested discussing the dress, and how I personally feel it will not fit properly in the event is it altered... not people, not weight, not really the union..including seat belt extensions... if you want to discuss those issues create a topic.

it appears you are looking for an arguement, and Im not going to continue posting in regards to seatbelts with you on this thread.

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

I was interested discussing the dress, and how I personally feel it will not fit properly in the event is it altered... not people, not weight, not really the union..including seat belt extensions... if you want to discuss those issues create a topic.

But that's not the subject of the thread either, Dignity . Focus please.
The subject isn't alterations. It is: "AFA upset that plus sizes can't wear red dress"
They filed the grievance indicating discrimination..not the fit of the particular style.
The discussion is whether the grievance is with merit. Whether AFA should be upset that plus sizes cannot order/wear the red dress in the manner in which it was designed/made. Not an altered version.
INMHO, the grievance only has merit if there is a NW f/a who can fit into her jumpseat with the lapbelt/harness provided (w/out use of an extension.) and yet the red dress still doesn't come in her size. Then...yes, they will either have to offer it in larger sizes or do away with it I suppose.

 

[Dignity]

You're welcome, I guess, Dignity. But I'm not sure if that was meant in a sarcastic tone as you can't always detect intent online.

it was a genuinely sincere thank you.

 

[Dignity]

But that's not the subject of the thread either, Dignity . Focus please.

well at least I am sort of staying on topic, that is considered a good thing?

The subject isn't alterations. It is: "AFA upset that plus sizes can't wear red dress"

well I do not think it is going to be the same dress, if it is altered.