Actually, I'm gone in a year and I had maxed my pension when it was frozen, so I am one of the lucky few, and timing not ALPA had something to do with it. If I had another 10 or 15 to go, I would be f$@ked. What I am saying is you and people with your attitude are going to get exactly what they deserve. The people at US Airways sacrificed to keep their company afloat and someone else gets to come and ride the attrition wave that still exists because of their sacrifices and now their 20 years is meaningless. If time vested in a profession is meaningless, then by all means cling to that belief but don't cry if someone jams it to you one day, even if it is crossing your picket line. If nothing means anything beyond what you can leverage at the moment then more power to the scab that does it to you, especially if he has been screwed in the past. I doubt it will ever come to that though, because Parker & Co, as well as other airline managers ought to be wringing their hands with glee. Your lucky that is the case on one hand but screwed by it as well. He can push, you as well as all of them now with no threat of strikes. There have been two many screwed now by their own union brothers for the union to ever have teeth again. You wait and see what the final offer is, and whether its your vaunted negotiators at the table or, the amazing National negotiators, it will be pathetic and that is if you get it done before the next recession. If it doesn't happen that quick, good by US Airways, hello MESA because that is where your pay and work conditions will be. After watching this latest debacle, I can't even say I hope I'm wrong because people really ought to reap what they sow.